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All of us are right and wrong to varying degrees. I don't think Joe Rogan cares much for people that stop listening because he doesn't reinforce their politics.

All of us are right and wrong to varying degrees. I don't think Joe Rogan cares much for people that stop listening because he doesn't reinforce their politics. He never has. He's also spoken about the whole point of him having FU money is that he is able to say whatever he wants and not care about the blowback. I'm not anti-vax, but ultimately, my body, my choice. People who are risk averse are free to self-quarantine for any duration they please. Us, the unvaccinated, are happy to live freely and face any associated risks - just like people who decide to ride motorcycles, play combat sports, or eat homegrown food.

pertymcpert 5y ago
Why aren't you vaccinated?
- likeclockwork 5y ago
  Because he's anti-vax. This is the future where everyone says they're not aligned with whatever idea then does everything they can to promote and propagate that idea. They'll even deny that the idea exists while spreading it as far as they can.
krastanov 5y ago
There are plenty of situations in which we as a society have decided that freedoms are curbed to protect the masses. Drunk driving laws for instance. If you are putting people around you at risk, it seems perfectly reasonable to me to require you to stay home, not all the other people who have taken the easy trivial precautions (vaccines and masks) necessary to protect those around them.
- swader999 5y ago
  Covid vaccinations have only been proven to protect the vaccinated from severe outcomes. They don't prevent infection or re-transmission. There's no valid claim to pushing this on those that don't want them.
  - krastanov 5y ago
    Of course I agree that those who do not want vaccines should not be forced. But they also should not get to ruin everything for the rest of us. The r coefficient for vaccinated people is drastically lower leading to protecting those that can not get vaccinated (whom, I guess, unvaccinated people do not mind screwing over). And vaccinated people are not taking away ICU beds from people suffering from non-prevetable diseases.
    - swader999 5y ago
      By your logic we should penalize obese people. It's more of a factor in icu admission stats than vax status.
      - krastanov 5y ago
        This is nonsense. The causal feature of the people saturating ICU capacities is that they are unvaccinated, not obese. It also matters that getting vaccinated is a cheap safe triviality, while getting into a healthy BMI range is an expensive long process (but I would agree that it should be encouraged).
        bwship 5y ago
        Why is eating healthy and exercising expensive?
        krastanov 5y ago
        Google "food deserts". Some people have 3 jobs and depression: not much time for going to the gym and eating healthy. And do not be silly: healthy food is way more expensive per calory.
        thegrimmest 5y ago
        It's the calories that count for obesity, not the "healthiness". It's perfectly possible to maintain a healthy body weight eating chips and drinking soda. Time isn't a factor here, personal responsibility is.
- complianceowl 5y ago
  Thankfully your idea of "perfectly reasonable" is not, and most likely will not, be law. And if it is, I will happily move to a state where it is not. It is scary what some societies throughout history have defined as "perfectly reasonable".
  - krastanov 5y ago
    You are not wrong, you are just incredibly selfish. If it was not for selfish people, we would not have to worry about deciding things at the society-level.
arcticfox 5y ago
> Us, the unvaccinated, are happy to live freely and face any associated risks - just like people who decide to ride motorcycles, play combat sports, or eat homegrown food. I think you've got the wrong analogies going there. You, the unvaccinated, are principally putting yourselves at risk but you are also, and more importantly, putting others at increased risk of transmission from yourself. Adjusting your content for accuracy: you, the unvaccinated, are not allowed by society to do anything you want. Just like you cannot drive drunk, shoot firearms inside city limits, urinate on the street, sell poop sandwiches as a food product, etc.
- gjs278 5y ago
  wrong. vaccinated people carry the same viral load as unvaccinated. that’s why vaccinated have to wear masks.
- complianceowl 5y ago
  Fully vaccinated people are both spreading COVID and becoming COVID positive. Following the news can be a good thing, too.
  - arcticfox 5y ago
    > increased risk of transmission from yourself. I know. We, the vaccinated, are also not free to do whatever we want. If the chance of transmission between vaccinated & unvaccinated ever equalizes, there would obviously be no reason for different treatment. But just because vaccinated people can transmit doesn't mean they are as likely to.
engineer_22 5y ago
->ride motorcycles, combat sports, or eat homegrown food. What an interesting choice of examples.... Can't help but thinking one of these things is not like the others.
- complianceowl 5y ago
  I don't know what you are referring to. Homegrown food? It can have parasites bro. If that's not what you're referring to, no need to play guessing games. Be specific.
edmundsauto 5y ago
I think that's OK, as long as you accept the consequence of being outcast from society - ie not allowed to interact or go into a public place where you are a threat. "Not making other people sick during a pandemic" is a pretty reasonable prerequisite for social interaction.
- complianceowl 5y ago
  Unvaccinated people are still allowed to interact and be in public places where 'they' are a threat, and where vaccinated people are too -- to them. So, no -- I do not have to accept the hypothetical, strawman consequences that you fantasize about.
alpaca128 5y ago
> Us, the unvaccinated, are happy to live freely and face any associated risks So I assume you agree to not come running to the hospital when you get infected, taking away beds for other patients who shouldn't have to suffer because of your ignorance?
- complianceowl 5y ago
  Uhh, no -- although your politics have driven you to salivate at the sight of an unvaccinated person in a deathbead so you can scream, "I told you so!", no -- I will happily go to the hospital if I need to. Why? Because "I'm willing to take the risk" does not mean that accepting death is a requirement (unfortunately for you). Oh, and getting COVID and needing hospitalization absolutely does not mean that I will be taking away a bed from someone who needs it. You're so desperate to spew your hate that you actually made that strawman assumption; that's laughable. If you were actually honest, you would know that after the shortage of beds and ventilators, hospitals are now much, much better prepared to handle spikes in hospitalizations. It appears the only ignorance here is yours, buddy.
swayvil 5y ago
The downvote button is a tool for crowdsourcing the (very large) task of censorship. Agree?

pertymcpert 5y ago

Why aren't you vaccinated?

likeclockwork 5y ago
Because he's anti-vax. This is the future where everyone says they're not aligned with whatever idea then does everything they can to promote and propagate that idea. They'll even deny that the idea exists while spreading it as far as they can.

krastanov 5y ago

There are plenty of situations in which we as a society have decided that freedoms are curbed to protect the masses. Drunk driving laws for instance. If you are putting people around you at risk, it seems perfectly reasonable to me to require you to stay home, not all the other people who have taken the easy trivial precautions (vaccines and masks) necessary to protect those around them.

swader999 5y ago
Covid vaccinations have only been proven to protect the vaccinated from severe outcomes. They don't prevent infection or re-transmission. There's no valid claim to pushing this on those that don't want them.
- krastanov 5y ago
  Of course I agree that those who do not want vaccines should not be forced. But they also should not get to ruin everything for the rest of us. The r coefficient for vaccinated people is drastically lower leading to protecting those that can not get vaccinated (whom, I guess, unvaccinated people do not mind screwing over). And vaccinated people are not taking away ICU beds from people suffering from non-prevetable diseases.
  - swader999 5y ago
    By your logic we should penalize obese people. It's more of a factor in icu admission stats than vax status.
    - krastanov 5y ago
      This is nonsense. The causal feature of the people saturating ICU capacities is that they are unvaccinated, not obese. It also matters that getting vaccinated is a cheap safe triviality, while getting into a healthy BMI range is an expensive long process (but I would agree that it should be encouraged).
      - bwship 5y ago
        Why is eating healthy and exercising expensive?
        krastanov 5y ago
        Google "food deserts". Some people have 3 jobs and depression: not much time for going to the gym and eating healthy. And do not be silly: healthy food is way more expensive per calory.
        thegrimmest 5y ago
        It's the calories that count for obesity, not the "healthiness". It's perfectly possible to maintain a healthy body weight eating chips and drinking soda. Time isn't a factor here, personal responsibility is.
complianceowl 5y ago
Thankfully your idea of "perfectly reasonable" is not, and most likely will not, be law. And if it is, I will happily move to a state where it is not. It is scary what some societies throughout history have defined as "perfectly reasonable".
- krastanov 5y ago
  You are not wrong, you are just incredibly selfish. If it was not for selfish people, we would not have to worry about deciding things at the society-level.

arcticfox 5y ago

> Us, the unvaccinated, are happy to live freely and face any associated risks - just like people who decide to ride motorcycles, play combat sports, or eat homegrown food. I think you've got the wrong analogies going there. You, the unvaccinated, are principally putting yourselves at risk but you are also, and more importantly, putting others at increased risk of transmission from yourself. Adjusting your content for accuracy: you, the unvaccinated, are not allowed by society to do anything you want. Just like you cannot drive drunk, shoot firearms inside city limits, urinate on the street, sell poop sandwiches as a food product, etc.

gjs278 5y ago
wrong. vaccinated people carry the same viral load as unvaccinated. that’s why vaccinated have to wear masks.
complianceowl 5y ago
Fully vaccinated people are both spreading COVID and becoming COVID positive. Following the news can be a good thing, too.
- arcticfox 5y ago
  > increased risk of transmission from yourself. I know. We, the vaccinated, are also not free to do whatever we want. If the chance of transmission between vaccinated & unvaccinated ever equalizes, there would obviously be no reason for different treatment. But just because vaccinated people can transmit doesn't mean they are as likely to.

engineer_22 5y ago

->ride motorcycles, combat sports, or eat homegrown food. What an interesting choice of examples.... Can't help but thinking one of these things is not like the others.

complianceowl 5y ago
I don't know what you are referring to. Homegrown food? It can have parasites bro. If that's not what you're referring to, no need to play guessing games. Be specific.

edmundsauto 5y ago

I think that's OK, as long as you accept the consequence of being outcast from society - ie not allowed to interact or go into a public place where you are a threat. "Not making other people sick during a pandemic" is a pretty reasonable prerequisite for social interaction.

complianceowl 5y ago
Unvaccinated people are still allowed to interact and be in public places where 'they' are a threat, and where vaccinated people are too -- to them. So, no -- I do not have to accept the hypothetical, strawman consequences that you fantasize about.

alpaca128 5y ago

> Us, the unvaccinated, are happy to live freely and face any associated risks So I assume you agree to not come running to the hospital when you get infected, taking away beds for other patients who shouldn't have to suffer because of your ignorance?

complianceowl 5y ago
Uhh, no -- although your politics have driven you to salivate at the sight of an unvaccinated person in a deathbead so you can scream, "I told you so!", no -- I will happily go to the hospital if I need to. Why? Because "I'm willing to take the risk" does not mean that accepting death is a requirement (unfortunately for you). Oh, and getting COVID and needing hospitalization absolutely does not mean that I will be taking away a bed from someone who needs it. You're so desperate to spew your hate that you actually made that strawman assumption; that's laughable. If you were actually honest, you would know that after the shortage of beds and ventilators, hospitals are now much, much better prepared to handle spikes in hospitalizations. It appears the only ignorance here is yours, buddy.

swayvil 5y ago

The downvote button is a tool for crowdsourcing the (very large) task of censorship. Agree?