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Permanently glued batteries are not any smaller and they are no lighter than strapped batteries with easily removed adhesives. It's a move to prevent repair.

chrisseaton 5y ago
This conspiracy theory doesn't even make any sense. Guess who has to replace these batteries? Apple. Why would they make it harder for themselves without a good reason.
- SirZimzim 5y ago
  The idea is that due to the special repair it will be costly enough to the point where you will opt for buying a new laptop. It's $200 for a 2015 MacBook Pro for Apple to replace the battery. An aftermarket battery costs around $50 but it's tricky to install.
  - chrisseaton 5y ago
    > The idea is that due to the special repair it will be costly enough But Apple has to replace the batteries and pay for it under their warranties, not you.
    - VortexDream 5y ago
      Warranty only goes for 1-3 years. Where the rate of failure for batteries is very low. After that, you're stuck with high repair costs or buying a new device that falls under warranty again. It's a racket and people keep falling for it.
    - zenexer 5y ago
      Maybe it's different in some parts of the world, but at least in the US, the scenario described by the parent will not be covered by the warranty, and you will have to pay for it: > It's $200 for a 2015 MacBook Pro for Apple to replace the battery.
    - ksec 5y ago
      >But Apple has to replace the batteries and pay for it under their warranties, not you. Apple operate the 1 year MacBook warranty policy across the world with only specific countries that they abide by the law of 3 years warranty. However if you dont mention it, as in UK, they will still charge you for it.
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      Batteries won't wear out in a year, and battery wear from normal use is not always covered by warranty. You're going to be paying for it in 90% of cases.
- samtheprogram 5y ago
  Apple wants to perform the repairs so they can charge a premium. If batteries were easy to replace, consumers would do it themselves. IIRC iOS even detects if a battery has been replaced regardless of whether it’s an authentic first-party battery and warns the user; Apple technicians use a tool to prevent these warnings for first-party repairs.
- fsflover 5y ago
  What if I want to go to an independent repair shop to change my battery? Or even do it myself.
  - chrisseaton 5y ago
    Apple will do it for you. So this isn't an argument against repair - it may be an argument against repair by third parties if you want to suggest that? But then again why would Apple make a job that they have to do harder? Doesn't pass a common-sense test.
    - seg_lol 5y ago
      Because it gets harder for the opposition at a faster rate. The opposition is end user repair. But you know this, it is a common strategy, this is why you out skill your opponent. There are widely reported cases of people taking their iPhones to the Genius Bar only to have someone swap their philips head screws for pentalobe screws. Passes common sense.
    - fsflover 5y ago
      Exactly, Apple is killing third party repairs, so they can demand for 10k USD from you as in the OP.
      - chrisseaton 5y ago
        > so they can demand for 10k USD from you as in the OP I think you and others in this thread are fundamentally confused - the OP has paid nothing - the cost is Apple’s.
        fsflover 5y ago
        Even if in this case Apple paid the costs, very often it's on the customer to pay for out of warranty repairs.
        deleted 5y ago
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  Apple choses which price to charge for a battery replacement. Their profit margin is whatever they choose unless other people are replacing it too.
  - chrisseaton 5y ago
    But they also have to do the repairs. When they make it harder they increase their costs.
    - darksaints 5y ago
      But they also dissuade people from doing it themselves. So a $50 battery becomes a $200 battery.
mbesto 5y ago
Disagree. You can see for yourself: Glued https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/noPvQ2CLs1jptX2p.medium https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/noPvQ2CLs1jptX2p.med... Removal battery https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/btDJQp5CYXdILTOO.medium https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/btDJQp5CYXdILTOO.med... You get better battery performance, with higher CPU performance, better graphics, etc. etc. and save 8oz. in weight and nearly half the width. Moore's law has tradeoffs. I think you can make the conclusion yourself with the facts. EDIT: For the record - it financially benefits Apple to have an unremovable battery, but that doesn't mean its the only motivation.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  This is hilarious. You're actually comparing two different computers. A pull tab does not weigh 8oz more than a dab of glue. I don't get why someone would try to argue as much.
  - mbesto 5y ago
    > You're actually comparing two different computers. Huh? One is the previous MBPro with a removable battery and the other is the latest version MBPro with a glued battery. > A pull tab does not weigh 8oz more than a dab of glue. I don't get why someone would try to argue as much. I didn't say that. I said the form factor for a glued in battery doesn't it allow it to be setup as a removable battery configuration. Gotta love the armchair hardware engineers in here.
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      You can use the exact same form factors for glued and removal batteries. They're all just prisms or a bunch of prisms. And yes it's ridiculous to compare two different generations of MBPro. You can definitely mount those batteries in a removable fashion in any case.
- manigandham 5y ago
  None of that is true. The battery cells are the rectangular black pouches. They can be glued in, placed in with a ribbon cable, put inside a plastic outer casing, or any other variation; but the batteries themselves are exactly the same form and function. Given the hard metal body construction with screw fasteners, there's no reason for gluing the battery packs themselves.

chrisseaton 5y ago

This conspiracy theory doesn't even make any sense. Guess who has to replace these batteries? Apple. Why would they make it harder for themselves without a good reason.

SirZimzim 5y ago
The idea is that due to the special repair it will be costly enough to the point where you will opt for buying a new laptop. It's $200 for a 2015 MacBook Pro for Apple to replace the battery. An aftermarket battery costs around $50 but it's tricky to install.
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  > The idea is that due to the special repair it will be costly enough But Apple has to replace the batteries and pay for it under their warranties, not you.
  - VortexDream 5y ago
    Warranty only goes for 1-3 years. Where the rate of failure for batteries is very low. After that, you're stuck with high repair costs or buying a new device that falls under warranty again. It's a racket and people keep falling for it.
  - zenexer 5y ago
    Maybe it's different in some parts of the world, but at least in the US, the scenario described by the parent will not be covered by the warranty, and you will have to pay for it: > It's $200 for a 2015 MacBook Pro for Apple to replace the battery.
  - ksec 5y ago
    >But Apple has to replace the batteries and pay for it under their warranties, not you. Apple operate the 1 year MacBook warranty policy across the world with only specific countries that they abide by the law of 3 years warranty. However if you dont mention it, as in UK, they will still charge you for it.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    Batteries won't wear out in a year, and battery wear from normal use is not always covered by warranty. You're going to be paying for it in 90% of cases.
samtheprogram 5y ago
Apple wants to perform the repairs so they can charge a premium. If batteries were easy to replace, consumers would do it themselves. IIRC iOS even detects if a battery has been replaced regardless of whether it’s an authentic first-party battery and warns the user; Apple technicians use a tool to prevent these warnings for first-party repairs.
fsflover 5y ago
What if I want to go to an independent repair shop to change my battery? Or even do it myself.
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  Apple will do it for you. So this isn't an argument against repair - it may be an argument against repair by third parties if you want to suggest that? But then again why would Apple make a job that they have to do harder? Doesn't pass a common-sense test.
  - seg_lol 5y ago
    Because it gets harder for the opposition at a faster rate. The opposition is end user repair. But you know this, it is a common strategy, this is why you out skill your opponent. There are widely reported cases of people taking their iPhones to the Genius Bar only to have someone swap their philips head screws for pentalobe screws. Passes common sense.
  - fsflover 5y ago
    Exactly, Apple is killing third party repairs, so they can demand for 10k USD from you as in the OP.
    - chrisseaton 5y ago
      > so they can demand for 10k USD from you as in the OP I think you and others in this thread are fundamentally confused - the OP has paid nothing - the cost is Apple’s.
      - fsflover 5y ago
        Even if in this case Apple paid the costs, very often it's on the customer to pay for out of warranty repairs.
        deleted 5y ago
sudosysgen 5y ago
Apple choses which price to charge for a battery replacement. Their profit margin is whatever they choose unless other people are replacing it too.
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  But they also have to do the repairs. When they make it harder they increase their costs.
  - darksaints 5y ago
    But they also dissuade people from doing it themselves. So a $50 battery becomes a $200 battery.

mbesto 5y ago

Disagree. You can see for yourself: Glued https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/noPvQ2CLs1jptX2p.medium https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/noPvQ2CLs1jptX2p.med... Removal battery https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/btDJQp5CYXdILTOO.medium https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/btDJQp5CYXdILTOO.med... You get better battery performance, with higher CPU performance, better graphics, etc. etc. and save 8oz. in weight and nearly half the width. Moore's law has tradeoffs. I think you can make the conclusion yourself with the facts. EDIT: For the record - it financially benefits Apple to have an unremovable battery, but that doesn't mean its the only motivation.

sudosysgen 5y ago
This is hilarious. You're actually comparing two different computers. A pull tab does not weigh 8oz more than a dab of glue. I don't get why someone would try to argue as much.
- mbesto 5y ago
  > You're actually comparing two different computers. Huh? One is the previous MBPro with a removable battery and the other is the latest version MBPro with a glued battery. > A pull tab does not weigh 8oz more than a dab of glue. I don't get why someone would try to argue as much. I didn't say that. I said the form factor for a glued in battery doesn't it allow it to be setup as a removable battery configuration. Gotta love the armchair hardware engineers in here.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    You can use the exact same form factors for glued and removal batteries. They're all just prisms or a bunch of prisms. And yes it's ridiculous to compare two different generations of MBPro. You can definitely mount those batteries in a removable fashion in any case.
manigandham 5y ago
None of that is true. The battery cells are the rectangular black pouches. They can be glued in, placed in with a ribbon cable, put inside a plastic outer casing, or any other variation; but the batteries themselves are exactly the same form and function. Given the hard metal body construction with screw fasteners, there's no reason for gluing the battery packs themselves.