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I still don't think it's reasonable. Restricting yourself on such banalities feels way too much like "the (prude) terrorists have won" If someone made the same

I still don't think it's reasonable. Restricting yourself on such banalities feels way too much like "the (prude) terrorists have won" If someone made the same case for a woman wearing a regular skirt in class, (I hope) everyone would be up in arms, and rightfully so.

ghaff 5y ago
So are there no limits to what a high school student can have on a Tshirt--realizing any such limit will be controversial and probably political to some degree? (Personally, I had to wear a jacket and tie though, so what do I know.)
- b3morales 5y ago
  There's in fact a U.S. Supreme Court case, Tinker v. Des Moines, about the limits. The students were wearing black armbands to protest the Vietnam War; they prevailed: > The court observed, "It can hardly be argued that either students or teachers shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate." > The Court held that for school officials to justify censoring speech, they "must be able to show that [their] action was caused by something more than a mere desire to avoid the discomfort and unpleasantness that always accompany an unpopular viewpoint," that the conduct that would "materially and substantially interfere with the requirements of appropriate discipline in the operation of the school." (From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker_v._Des_Moines_Independent_Community_School_District https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker_v._Des_Moines_Independe...)
- mzs 5y ago
  I'm probably missing something but from me at two HSs and my three kids later in HS clothing connected to drugs, alcohol, smoking, profanity, nudity, and sex were prohibited.
  - ghaff 5y ago
    What you're really not missing is that: - The Supreme Court ruling probably has a fair bit of wiggle room especially where the clothing doesn't make an explicit political statement - The Supreme Court is not in the classroom. The teacher is.
asdff 5y ago
It's school, banning articles of clothing is their bread and butter. When I was in school it was war on spaghetti straps and yoga pants.

ghaff 5y ago

So are there no limits to what a high school student can have on a Tshirt--realizing any such limit will be controversial and probably political to some degree? (Personally, I had to wear a jacket and tie though, so what do I know.)

b3morales 5y ago
There's in fact a U.S. Supreme Court case, Tinker v. Des Moines, about the limits. The students were wearing black armbands to protest the Vietnam War; they prevailed: > The court observed, "It can hardly be argued that either students or teachers shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate." > The Court held that for school officials to justify censoring speech, they "must be able to show that [their] action was caused by something more than a mere desire to avoid the discomfort and unpleasantness that always accompany an unpopular viewpoint," that the conduct that would "materially and substantially interfere with the requirements of appropriate discipline in the operation of the school." (From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker_v._Des_Moines_Independent_Community_School_District https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker_v._Des_Moines_Independe...)
mzs 5y ago
I'm probably missing something but from me at two HSs and my three kids later in HS clothing connected to drugs, alcohol, smoking, profanity, nudity, and sex were prohibited.
- ghaff 5y ago
  What you're really not missing is that: - The Supreme Court ruling probably has a fair bit of wiggle room especially where the clothing doesn't make an explicit political statement - The Supreme Court is not in the classroom. The teacher is.

asdff 5y ago

It's school, banning articles of clothing is their bread and butter. When I was in school it was war on spaghetti straps and yoga pants.