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> The idea that sovereignty was never given up by Maori is a very important one. There is a lot of thought on decolonialism recently. These are still pretty fr

> The idea that sovereignty was never given up by Maori is a very important one. There is a lot of thought on decolonialism recently. These are still pretty fringe views in NZ. There are some groups that support separate institutions and legal systems for Maori but I wouldn't say that's anywhere near a majority view.

lostlogin 5y ago
It isn’t that fringe. Look at healthcare, where the abysmal results delivered to Maori (see the below Hauora report) are looking likely to result in a radical change in funding and the establishment of The Maori Health Authority. I work in health and am not Maori. Reading a little into health disparities was a ‘holy shit’ moment for me. We do very poorly. https://waitangitribunal.govt.nz/news/report-on-stage-one-of-health-services-and-outcomes-released/ https://waitangitribunal.govt.nz/news/report-on-stage-one-of... https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/establishment-new-māori-health-authority-takes-first-big-step https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/establishment-new-māori-...
te_chris 5y ago
It’s not fringe, it’s the legal bedrock of NZ’s constitution. It’s not about separate, it’s about the crown entering into a legal treaty then dishonouring it because lol Great Britain.
mdoms 5y ago
Yes but unfortunately they are fringe ideas that our PM and her cabinet appear to subscribe to - although they refuse to explicitly say so.
- te_chris 5y ago
  Ugh, it’s quite literally the founding constitution and basis for NZ. Describing mana whenua as ‘Fringe’ is racist and insulting.
  - mdoms 5y ago
    I'm sorry but you're simply not right, and going around calling everyone who disagrees with you "racist" won't make you any more right.
    - te_chris 5y ago
      How am I “not right”?
      - mdoms 5y ago
        Well for one your certainty about the constitutional basis of our nation, which has been in dispute since the signing of the treaty.
        te_chris 5y ago
        Your certainty that it's in disupte is misguided. It's not. There's a treaty signed which establishes joint soverignty over Aotearoa and it was signed in good faith by both parties. The crown and the NZ govt. have ignored it since it was signed, but that doesn't mean the foundation isn't there. https://aucklanduniversitypress.co.nz/tears-of-rangi/ https://aucklanduniversitypress.co.nz/tears-of-rangi/ I'd recommend reading this, it covers the history of the period of the signing of the the Treaty of Waitangi in a lot of depth.
        postingawayonhn 5y ago
        > There's a treaty signed which establishes joint soverignty over Aotearoa and it was signed in good faith by both parties. It's a fairly flawed 1 page document with two incompatible translations signed 181 years ago. There's certainly still plenty of debate over how much sovereignty Maori are granted by the treaty, how that would be implemented, and how relevant it is in the modern context.
        te_chris 5y ago

lostlogin 5y ago

It isn’t that fringe. Look at healthcare, where the abysmal results delivered to Maori (see the below Hauora report) are looking likely to result in a radical change in funding and the establishment of The Maori Health Authority. I work in health and am not Maori. Reading a little into health disparities was a ‘holy shit’ moment for me. We do very poorly. https://waitangitribunal.govt.nz/news/report-on-stage-one-of-health-services-and-outcomes-released/ https://waitangitribunal.govt.nz/news/report-on-stage-one-of... https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/establishment-new-māori-health-authority-takes-first-big-step https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/establishment-new-māori-...

te_chris 5y ago

It’s not fringe, it’s the legal bedrock of NZ’s constitution. It’s not about separate, it’s about the crown entering into a legal treaty then dishonouring it because lol Great Britain.

mdoms 5y ago

Yes but unfortunately they are fringe ideas that our PM and her cabinet appear to subscribe to - although they refuse to explicitly say so.

te_chris 5y ago
Ugh, it’s quite literally the founding constitution and basis for NZ. Describing mana whenua as ‘Fringe’ is racist and insulting.
- mdoms 5y ago
  I'm sorry but you're simply not right, and going around calling everyone who disagrees with you "racist" won't make you any more right.
  - te_chris 5y ago
    How am I “not right”?
    - mdoms 5y ago
      Well for one your certainty about the constitutional basis of our nation, which has been in dispute since the signing of the treaty.
      - te_chris 5y ago
        Your certainty that it's in disupte is misguided. It's not. There's a treaty signed which establishes joint soverignty over Aotearoa and it was signed in good faith by both parties. The crown and the NZ govt. have ignored it since it was signed, but that doesn't mean the foundation isn't there. https://aucklanduniversitypress.co.nz/tears-of-rangi/ https://aucklanduniversitypress.co.nz/tears-of-rangi/ I'd recommend reading this, it covers the history of the period of the signing of the the Treaty of Waitangi in a lot of depth.
        postingawayonhn 5y ago
        > There's a treaty signed which establishes joint soverignty over Aotearoa and it was signed in good faith by both parties. It's a fairly flawed 1 page document with two incompatible translations signed 181 years ago. There's certainly still plenty of debate over how much sovereignty Maori are granted by the treaty, how that would be implemented, and how relevant it is in the modern context.
        te_chris 5y ago