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>Part of the reason that employers require advanced degrees is so that they are assured that the individual in question can figure out what steps need to be tak

by ruined 5y ago

>Part of the reason that employers require advanced degrees is so that they are assured that the individual in question can figure out what steps need to be taken to fulfill an objective, and then take those steps. it seems like if some individual has been working with you for years, you should probably have access to better metrics for this than degree/no degree, such as personal acquaintance and familiarity

lelanthran 5y ago
> it seems like if some individual has been working with you for years, you should probably have access to better metrics for this than degree/no degree, such as personal acquaintance and familiarity But it isn't about the employee's competence, so how would metrics help? It's about the employee's compliance. Look at it from the point of view of the organisation, not the point of view of an individual within the organisation: an individual literally gets told what steps are needed to reach some objective, and then they fail to take those steps! That does not bode well for that individual in terms of making business decisions, hence they shouldn't be in a position of more power and/or influence anyway, because they are unable to achieve an objective even when it is spelled out to them.
- philipov 5y ago
  Or, they achieved the objective, but they found their own solution instead of being forced to have it spelled out for them. I commonly encounter people who have these degrees but are unable to figure out how to accomplish an objective unless every step is presented as a bullet-point list in the task description. Having a degree is not the objective, being able to do the work is. Confusing the two is an example of a cargo cult. I don't want people working under me who are incapable of understanding which objectives are important.
  - lelanthran 5y ago
    > Or, they achieved the objective, but they found their own solution instead of being forced to have it spelled out for them. The objective here is getting the promotion. > I commonly encounter people who have these degrees but are unable to figure out how to accomplish an objective unless every step is presented as a bullet-point list in the task description. Irrelevant - the company isn't using the degree as an indicator of competence, they are using it as an indicator of compliance. > Having a degree is not the objective, You're correct. Getting the promotion is the objective. > being able to do the work is. Being able to do the work is irrelevant if the candidate does not meet the minimum requirements set by the organisation.

by ruined 5y ago

lelanthran 5y ago

> it seems like if some individual has been working with you for years, you should probably have access to better metrics for this than degree/no degree, such as personal acquaintance and familiarity But it isn't about the employee's competence, so how would metrics help? It's about the employee's compliance. Look at it from the point of view of the organisation, not the point of view of an individual within the organisation: an individual literally gets told what steps are needed to reach some objective, and then they fail to take those steps! That does not bode well for that individual in terms of making business decisions, hence they shouldn't be in a position of more power and/or influence anyway, because they are unable to achieve an objective even when it is spelled out to them.

philipov 5y ago
Or, they achieved the objective, but they found their own solution instead of being forced to have it spelled out for them. I commonly encounter people who have these degrees but are unable to figure out how to accomplish an objective unless every step is presented as a bullet-point list in the task description. Having a degree is not the objective, being able to do the work is. Confusing the two is an example of a cargo cult. I don't want people working under me who are incapable of understanding which objectives are important.
- lelanthran 5y ago
  > Or, they achieved the objective, but they found their own solution instead of being forced to have it spelled out for them. The objective here is getting the promotion. > I commonly encounter people who have these degrees but are unable to figure out how to accomplish an objective unless every step is presented as a bullet-point list in the task description. Irrelevant - the company isn't using the degree as an indicator of competence, they are using it as an indicator of compliance. > Having a degree is not the objective, You're correct. Getting the promotion is the objective. > being able to do the work is. Being able to do the work is irrelevant if the candidate does not meet the minimum requirements set by the organisation.