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What is this? Is this an official government policy? How is a publisher supposed to identify if someone is Maori?

rgoulter 5y ago
This part is where the author explains his views on current government policy: https://www.taiuru.maori.nz/maori-data-sovereignty-licences/#Social_Licences_are_incompatible_with_te_ao_Maori https://www.taiuru.maori.nz/maori-data-sovereignty-licences/...
intellirogue 5y ago
It's just a proposal by an academic. Probably intended to spark a conversation, as NZ is reviewing its privacy and data sovereignty law.
lugged 5y ago
I don't think it's official going by other commenters but as background, They're probably making the argument that their information is mana (spirit~) and therefore tapu (sacred/don't touch). I don't think many follow it but in traditional Maori culture you're not even allowed to let someone get ahold of your cut hair or nail clippings because they contain your mana and someone could curse you if they get ahold of it. https://teara.govt.nz/en/te-ao-marama-the-natural-world/page-5 https://teara.govt.nz/en/te-ao-marama-the-natural-world/page... Edit: More or less, yes > 2.1 Context. All data has a whakapapa (genealogy) and a mauri.
- thaumasiotes 5y ago
  > They're probably making the argument that their information is mana (spirit~) and therefore tapu (sacred/don't touch). Usually spelled "taboo".
  - lugged 5y ago
    Tapu is a Maori word, it's a bit more nuanced / not quite the same as taboo but close. It's not like nobody can touch, just not everyone can touch. And not really about touch at all but it's part of it.
    - thaumasiotes 5y ago
      It's close because it's the same word. But in English we spell it "taboo". Would you say "colour is a British word, it's not quite the same as color but it's close"?
      - edent 5y ago
        Māori is a completely separate language from English. Although it uses the English alphabet with some accents. The word tapu has completely different etymology than taboo. https://maoridictionary.co.nz/search?idiom=0&phrase=0&proverb=0&loan=0&histLoanWords=&keywords=tapu https://maoridictionary.co.nz/search?idiom=0&phrase=0&prover... See also https://media.newzealand.com/en/story-ideas/tapu-sacred-maori-code/ https://media.newzealand.com/en/story-ideas/tapu-sacred-maor...
        thaumasiotes 5y ago
        > The word tapu has completely different etymology than taboo. No, it doesn't. What do you think the etymology of taboo is?
        KittenInABox 5y ago
        It is apparently from Tongan or Fijian words, not Maori words. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taboo#Etymology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taboo#Etymology I think it's weird to try and correct a person using the accurate cultural terms with a mis-hearing of some european in the 1700s. If anything "tapu" is the technically correct term when referring to a concept in the context of Maori culture specifically, and taboo is a shitty mishearing of a foreigner of a different language. Similar to say, if I was talking about java's methods. In C# they're functions. But since I'm talking about Java, and specifically Java's basic behavior, method is the correct technical terminology to signify the context of what I'm talking about. It'd be weird for a C# person to show up, tell me that "actually, these are functions", if I'm saying "in Java, X is called a method".
        5y ago
  - djrobstep 5y ago
    No, literally always spelt tapu, a different word with completely different meaning and connotations than taboo.
    - AlanYx 5y ago
      The English word "taboo" actually comes from the Polynesian family of languages (tapua/tupua/tapu), of which Māori is a part.
      - yorwba 5y ago
        The term has been reconstructed even further back to Proto-Malayo-Polynesian and cognates exist across a large number of related languages. https://www.trussel2.com/acd/acd-s_t.htm#30099 https://www.trussel2.com/acd/acd-s_t.htm#30099 Of course that doesn't mean it's used the same in all of them.
      - djrobstep 5y ago
        That it has origins in the same language family doesn’t make it the same word. Once again - it has a very different meaning to taboo.
      - mdoms 5y ago
        The 2021 Ford F-150 comes from the same historical family as the Ford Pinto therefore they are the same car.
Guthur 5y ago
The last memo said all identity was fluid and pre defined identities were social constructs of the oppressors, so one must infer that one should say one identifies as Maori to be Maori.
oh_sigh 5y ago
See RFC7231 section 5.5.4 - User-Race header

This part is where the author explains his views on current government policy: https://www.taiuru.maori.nz/maori-data-sovereignty-licences/#Social_Licences_are_incompatible_with_te_ao_Maori https://www.taiuru.maori.nz/maori-data-sovereignty-licences/...

intellirogue 5y ago

It's just a proposal by an academic. Probably intended to spark a conversation, as NZ is reviewing its privacy and data sovereignty law.

lugged 5y ago

I don't think it's official going by other commenters but as background, They're probably making the argument that their information is mana (spirit~) and therefore tapu (sacred/don't touch). I don't think many follow it but in traditional Maori culture you're not even allowed to let someone get ahold of your cut hair or nail clippings because they contain your mana and someone could curse you if they get ahold of it. https://teara.govt.nz/en/te-ao-marama-the-natural-world/page-5 https://teara.govt.nz/en/te-ao-marama-the-natural-world/page... Edit: More or less, yes > 2.1 Context. All data has a whakapapa (genealogy) and a mauri.

thaumasiotes 5y ago
> They're probably making the argument that their information is mana (spirit~) and therefore tapu (sacred/don't touch). Usually spelled "taboo".
- lugged 5y ago
  Tapu is a Maori word, it's a bit more nuanced / not quite the same as taboo but close. It's not like nobody can touch, just not everyone can touch. And not really about touch at all but it's part of it.
  - thaumasiotes 5y ago
    It's close because it's the same word. But in English we spell it "taboo". Would you say "colour is a British word, it's not quite the same as color but it's close"?
    - edent 5y ago
      Māori is a completely separate language from English. Although it uses the English alphabet with some accents. The word tapu has completely different etymology than taboo. https://maoridictionary.co.nz/search?idiom=0&phrase=0&proverb=0&loan=0&histLoanWords=&keywords=tapu https://maoridictionary.co.nz/search?idiom=0&phrase=0&prover... See also https://media.newzealand.com/en/story-ideas/tapu-sacred-maori-code/ https://media.newzealand.com/en/story-ideas/tapu-sacred-maor...
      - thaumasiotes 5y ago
        > The word tapu has completely different etymology than taboo. No, it doesn't. What do you think the etymology of taboo is?
        KittenInABox 5y ago
        It is apparently from Tongan or Fijian words, not Maori words. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taboo#Etymology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taboo#Etymology I think it's weird to try and correct a person using the accurate cultural terms with a mis-hearing of some european in the 1700s. If anything "tapu" is the technically correct term when referring to a concept in the context of Maori culture specifically, and taboo is a shitty mishearing of a foreigner of a different language. Similar to say, if I was talking about java's methods. In C# they're functions. But since I'm talking about Java, and specifically Java's basic behavior, method is the correct technical terminology to signify the context of what I'm talking about. It'd be weird for a C# person to show up, tell me that "actually, these are functions", if I'm saying "in Java, X is called a method".
        5y ago
- djrobstep 5y ago
  No, literally always spelt tapu, a different word with completely different meaning and connotations than taboo.
  - AlanYx 5y ago
    The English word "taboo" actually comes from the Polynesian family of languages (tapua/tupua/tapu), of which Māori is a part.
    - yorwba 5y ago
      The term has been reconstructed even further back to Proto-Malayo-Polynesian and cognates exist across a large number of related languages. https://www.trussel2.com/acd/acd-s_t.htm#30099 https://www.trussel2.com/acd/acd-s_t.htm#30099 Of course that doesn't mean it's used the same in all of them.
    - djrobstep 5y ago
      That it has origins in the same language family doesn’t make it the same word. Once again - it has a very different meaning to taboo.
    - mdoms 5y ago
      The 2021 Ford F-150 comes from the same historical family as the Ford Pinto therefore they are the same car.

Guthur 5y ago

The last memo said all identity was fluid and pre defined identities were social constructs of the oppressors, so one must infer that one should say one identifies as Maori to be Maori.

oh_sigh 5y ago

See RFC7231 section 5.5.4 - User-Race header