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What a disgusting attitude you have. Imagine if somebody invaded the US because they didn't like the Biden administration. In the process they kill your family,

What a disgusting attitude you have. Imagine if somebody invaded the US because they didn't like the Biden administration. In the process they kill your family, but don't worry, it's just civilian causalities during a war. Shit happens.

bearclaw89 5y ago
Wow....how is this a disgusting attitude? I never said "shit happens". More explaining from personal experience that this videos didn't show anything out of the norm with dealing with actual Taliban.
- robin_reala 5y ago
  It’s worse that it’s not “out of the norm” than if it was an isolated incident.
  - bearclaw89 5y ago
    ....was only saying that this video doesn't prove it was innocent lives....
    - robin_reala 5y ago
      Typically the onus would be to prove someone guilty rather than the other way around.
    - kzrdude 5y ago
      Since the the actual drone operator is claiming that they were innocent, then it seems strange to insist that they could have been combatants based on no evidence? Here is another reversal comic/satire about killing civilians: https://thenib.com/yemen-bombs-yet-another-wedding-in-america/ https://thenib.com/yemen-bombs-yet-another-wedding-in-americ...
      - higherup 5y ago
        What do you do when assasins call you an assasin (Apocalypse now...)? What do you call it when you kill, in the name of saving lives?
    - A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
      It is hard to respond to this. It is true in absolute terms. That said, do we really want a world like this? Because logical conclusions of it are not fun. It is not like I can wear 'I am innocent' flag. And clearly, not that anyone would respect it.
    - pvaldes 5y ago
      Only a fair trial can declare anybody guilty. Without a right to say anything they are innocent by default. The video don't record any obvious crime by part of the killed people. They are innocent until proven otherwise. A world when everybody must prove that is innocent, so is not executed at first sight by a machine is terrifying. And as long as people starts seeing preemptive murder as a good cheaper alternative to justice, the fall is unstoppable. We really want to live in that world?
flyinglizard 5y ago
I adore such simple reductions for complex geopolitical matters. Yes, now everything is perfectly clear.
- mustafa_pasi 5y ago
  No sorry, there is no complex geopolitical matters at play here. It is actually very simple. These are civilians minding their own business. You don't get the right to murder them just because you are fighting nearby with some other group of people. If that most basic of human rights is not protected then nothing is. You might maybe be able to excuse civilian causalities in some total war scenario where your own safety is literally at risk. But that is very far from what is happening here.
- FpUser 5y ago
  >"complex geopolitical matters" Translation - lunatic politicos bought by a bunch of rich greedy bastards starting wars with countries that can not properly strike back. All for the sake of control and money.
throwaway210222 5y ago
> Imagine if somebody invaded the US because they didn't like the [] administration. I'm not an American, but I'm pretty sure Mr bin Laden - with the cover and approval of the official Afghanistan (Taliban) government did indeed attack the USA because they didn't like their government. They just bit off more than they could chew. [As, it turn out, did the USA]
- iso1210 5y ago
  Saudi Arabia was the primary source of al-Qaeda funding. The majority of the hijackers were from Saudi, as was Bin Laden. When he was eventually found it was in Pakistan. At least invading Afghanistan made more sense than invading Iraq.
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bearclaw89 5y ago

Wow....how is this a disgusting attitude? I never said "shit happens". More explaining from personal experience that this videos didn't show anything out of the norm with dealing with actual Taliban.

robin_reala 5y ago
It’s worse that it’s not “out of the norm” than if it was an isolated incident.
- bearclaw89 5y ago
  ....was only saying that this video doesn't prove it was innocent lives....
  - robin_reala 5y ago
    Typically the onus would be to prove someone guilty rather than the other way around.
  - kzrdude 5y ago
    Since the the actual drone operator is claiming that they were innocent, then it seems strange to insist that they could have been combatants based on no evidence? Here is another reversal comic/satire about killing civilians: https://thenib.com/yemen-bombs-yet-another-wedding-in-america/ https://thenib.com/yemen-bombs-yet-another-wedding-in-americ...
    - higherup 5y ago
      What do you do when assasins call you an assasin (Apocalypse now...)? What do you call it when you kill, in the name of saving lives?
  - A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
    It is hard to respond to this. It is true in absolute terms. That said, do we really want a world like this? Because logical conclusions of it are not fun. It is not like I can wear 'I am innocent' flag. And clearly, not that anyone would respect it.
  - pvaldes 5y ago
    Only a fair trial can declare anybody guilty. Without a right to say anything they are innocent by default. The video don't record any obvious crime by part of the killed people. They are innocent until proven otherwise. A world when everybody must prove that is innocent, so is not executed at first sight by a machine is terrifying. And as long as people starts seeing preemptive murder as a good cheaper alternative to justice, the fall is unstoppable. We really want to live in that world?

flyinglizard 5y ago

I adore such simple reductions for complex geopolitical matters. Yes, now everything is perfectly clear.

mustafa_pasi 5y ago
No sorry, there is no complex geopolitical matters at play here. It is actually very simple. These are civilians minding their own business. You don't get the right to murder them just because you are fighting nearby with some other group of people. If that most basic of human rights is not protected then nothing is. You might maybe be able to excuse civilian causalities in some total war scenario where your own safety is literally at risk. But that is very far from what is happening here.
FpUser 5y ago
>"complex geopolitical matters" Translation - lunatic politicos bought by a bunch of rich greedy bastards starting wars with countries that can not properly strike back. All for the sake of control and money.

throwaway210222 5y ago

> Imagine if somebody invaded the US because they didn't like the [] administration. I'm not an American, but I'm pretty sure Mr bin Laden - with the cover and approval of the official Afghanistan (Taliban) government did indeed attack the USA because they didn't like their government. They just bit off more than they could chew. [As, it turn out, did the USA]

iso1210 5y ago
Saudi Arabia was the primary source of al-Qaeda funding. The majority of the hijackers were from Saudi, as was Bin Laden. When he was eventually found it was in Pakistan. At least invading Afghanistan made more sense than invading Iraq.

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