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I use it. You can feel their severe development resource constraints everwhere. The browser is years behind. Native apps are rather limited. I bought the newest

I use it. You can feel their severe development resource constraints everwhere. The browser is years behind. Native apps are rather limited. I bought the newest supported hardware 3.5 years ago. It is stuck at Android 4.4, which is supported by fewer and fewer apps. Whenever they support new HW, it takes quite a while to stabilize. Not sure what is the situation right now. My guess would be the newest supported HW is getting obsolete already and nothing new has been announced.

bitL 5y ago
Latest Sailfish OS has Android 10 support.
- usr1106 5y ago
  The latest Sailfish OS release is supported on all HW generations except the first Jolla phone. But the Android version you get depends on your HW. Only the newest HW generation gets a newer Android. All previous HW generations stay at version 4.4 despite the Sailfish OS upgrade.
m4rtink 5y ago
Latest supported hardware is Xperia 10 II, which is still quite recently and pretty fast (I got it myself). Also, you can get the previously supported Xperia devices cheaply second hand. Just make sure it has an unlockable bootloader or else you won't be able to install Sailfish OS on it.
- usr1106 5y ago
  > Also, you can get the previously supported Xperia devices cheaply second hand While they are still decent hardware that advice is useful only for purists that don't intend to use Android at all. As I wrote, you get only Android 4.4 on those devices.
  - mpol 5y ago
    Android 4.4 support is only an issue for the Xperia X. The Xperia XA2, 10 and 10II have updated support, first at Android 8, I think it is now at Android 9. The Xperia X is somewhat tricky in this regard. It uses the "old" way of Android support. Android 8 and 9 is supported with an LXC container. Bringing that to the Xperia X would mean reflashing. Then you end up in the situation where some users reflash, and some stay on the old flash-image. Which needs another choice; support both groups, or drop all users of the old 4.4 image. I do understand the disappointment if you have an Xperia X and see all other devices get updated Android support. But Jolla here is between a rock and a hard place.
    - usr1106 5y ago
      The problem is not reflashing, we all have flashed the first time, we could do it again. The problem is kernel support. There is no new enough kernel for Xperia X hardware. For obvious reasons Sailfish does not have resources to port a kernel for a 3-4 year old device. Not sure whether source is even available from Sony for all drivers. https://source.android.com/devices/architecture/kernel/core-kernel-reqs https://source.android.com/devices/architecture/kernel/core-... A 4.4 kernel would be required, but there is only 3.10.
      - m4rtink 5y ago
        That's incorrect - Sailfish OS uses the Sony Open Device program kermel and blobs as a base and there is up to kernel 4.9 available for the Xperia X: https://developer.sony.com/develop/open-devices/get-started/supported-devices-and-functionality https://developer.sony.com/develop/open-devices/get-started/...
        usr1106 5y ago
        Thanks for correcting me. I wish all vendors would provide such clear and easy to read information. I was just repeating what I had heard elsewhere. So is it just one of those management decisions that we don't put any work into an old device? It annoys me mostly because the X is the last device of a reasonable size. I would not even pay for a new one because I am entitled to a new work phone. But I don't like the huge devices you get these days.

bitL 5y ago

Latest Sailfish OS has Android 10 support.

usr1106 5y ago
The latest Sailfish OS release is supported on all HW generations except the first Jolla phone. But the Android version you get depends on your HW. Only the newest HW generation gets a newer Android. All previous HW generations stay at version 4.4 despite the Sailfish OS upgrade.

m4rtink 5y ago

Latest supported hardware is Xperia 10 II, which is still quite recently and pretty fast (I got it myself). Also, you can get the previously supported Xperia devices cheaply second hand. Just make sure it has an unlockable bootloader or else you won't be able to install Sailfish OS on it.

usr1106 5y ago
> Also, you can get the previously supported Xperia devices cheaply second hand While they are still decent hardware that advice is useful only for purists that don't intend to use Android at all. As I wrote, you get only Android 4.4 on those devices.
- mpol 5y ago
  Android 4.4 support is only an issue for the Xperia X. The Xperia XA2, 10 and 10II have updated support, first at Android 8, I think it is now at Android 9. The Xperia X is somewhat tricky in this regard. It uses the "old" way of Android support. Android 8 and 9 is supported with an LXC container. Bringing that to the Xperia X would mean reflashing. Then you end up in the situation where some users reflash, and some stay on the old flash-image. Which needs another choice; support both groups, or drop all users of the old 4.4 image. I do understand the disappointment if you have an Xperia X and see all other devices get updated Android support. But Jolla here is between a rock and a hard place.
  - usr1106 5y ago
    The problem is not reflashing, we all have flashed the first time, we could do it again. The problem is kernel support. There is no new enough kernel for Xperia X hardware. For obvious reasons Sailfish does not have resources to port a kernel for a 3-4 year old device. Not sure whether source is even available from Sony for all drivers. https://source.android.com/devices/architecture/kernel/core-kernel-reqs https://source.android.com/devices/architecture/kernel/core-... A 4.4 kernel would be required, but there is only 3.10.
    - m4rtink 5y ago
      That's incorrect - Sailfish OS uses the Sony Open Device program kermel and blobs as a base and there is up to kernel 4.9 available for the Xperia X: https://developer.sony.com/develop/open-devices/get-started/supported-devices-and-functionality https://developer.sony.com/develop/open-devices/get-started/...
      - usr1106 5y ago
        Thanks for correcting me. I wish all vendors would provide such clear and easy to read information. I was just repeating what I had heard elsewhere. So is it just one of those management decisions that we don't put any work into an old device? It annoys me mostly because the X is the last device of a reasonable size. I would not even pay for a new one because I am entitled to a new work phone. But I don't like the huge devices you get these days.