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Have you tried 'see through walls with wifi' via duckduckgo? [1] https://spectrum.ieee.org/see-through-walls-by-the-glow-of-your-wifi https://spectrum.ieee.org
by LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
Have you tried 'see through walls with wifi' via duckduckgo?
[1] https://spectrum.ieee.org/see-through-walls-by-the-glow-of-your-wifi https://spectrum.ieee.org/see-through-walls-by-the-glow-of-y...
[2] https://spectrum.ieee.org/household-radar-can-see-through-walls-and-knows-how-youre-feeling https://spectrum.ieee.org/household-radar-can-see-through-wa...
[3] https://hackaday.com/2018/07/02/using-an-ai-and-wifi-to-see-through-walls/ https://hackaday.com/2018/07/02/using-an-ai-and-wifi-to-see-...
[4] https://www.csoonline.com/article/2222896/stealthy-wi-fi-spy-sees-you-through-walls-thanks-to-your-wireless-router.html https://www.csoonline.com/article/2222896/stealthy-wi-fi-spy...
[5] https://www.media.mit.edu/publications/see-through-walls-with-wifi/ https://www.media.mit.edu/publications/see-through-walls-wit...
[6] https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/2486001.2486039 https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/2486001.2486039
and so forth...
Maybe not from the base stations, but from equipment within the rooms. Also probably not on all used frequencies, because the higher they are, the less penetrating of walls, or even glass.
On the other hand, the timing is much more exact. With that much more precise timing
[7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_technology#Radar_stealth_countermeasures_and_limits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_technology#Radar_steal...
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[8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multistatic_radar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multistatic_radar
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[9] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_radar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_radar
in the general context of
[10] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_radio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_radio
comes to mind.
- trompetenaccoun 5y agoYeah, as far as the first links go I was aware and that's exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. I'd love to hear from someone who has more knowledge about the engineering of the 5G towers for that reason. And you're right that there are issues with penetration the higher the frequency. Which is why it's surprising to me they'd use such extremely high frequencies. Something as simple as rain significantly affects the signal with 5G, there's a phenomenon called rain fade. Then there's the problem with indoor penetration. Without having in depth knowledge of the tech it just doesn't make sense to me from a simple physics point of view. The disadvantages seem to vastly outweigh the slightly higher bandwidth, which immediately breaks down anyway as soon as the conditions aren't ideal.
- giantg2 5y ago"The disadvantages seem to vastly outweigh the slightly higher bandwidth, which immediately breaks down anyway as soon as the conditions aren't ideal." That's my thought. Mainly, it seems it would be more expensive because now you need more equipment/towers to maintain, materials and labor aren't cheap.