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How about serving taliban officials? Known slumlords, a notorious rapist, or how about someone like Epstein? Waiters and staff refuse service to people for mora

How about serving taliban officials? Known slumlords, a notorious rapist, or how about someone like Epstein? Waiters and staff refuse service to people for moral and political reasons all the time, and good management backs their employees. The reputational cost from firing someone who had a plausibly good reason to refuse service keeps employers in line. Google is too big to fail, and can survive almost any negative impact that comes from firing employees for activism or even mere discussion. There is almost no comparable social or legal leverage shielding employees of massive corporations from being fired for deviating from completely neutral droneship.

landemva 5y ago
'Google is too big to fail' This could be the underlying problem. When will feds start anti-trust actions against the tech behemoths?
radu_floricica 5y ago
I happen to really really dislike you, personally, based on the opinions above. How would you feel if I refused to offer you service in your favorite cafe? This is called cancel culture. In a polarized society everybody has a beef with somebody else. To get served you'd need to have neighborhoods specific to each subculture - god knows the last elections were proof that it's not just a thought experiment. Or are you're going to insist that the minorities you mentioned are real scumbangs and they're the only ones not deserving service? Well, who decides that, society-wise? You'd need committees to discuss who's protected and who's not. Can you deny service to As? Or to Bs? God, what a mess. What we have now is a decent situation, mostly because it's simple and it works. You have a strong society-wide bias on offering service to everybody. The owner is free to deny service in extreme cases, but they very rarely do. The law says you can't filter based on a few criteria (like race), but that's mostly not needed because of the strong default above. Why change it?
- zaarn 5y ago
  Cancel culture is both ways. If you ask "is it bad to deny serving someone you don't like" you also have to ask "is it bad to deny getting service from someone you don't like". Conversly, I don't like google and I try to avoid using their services. That's cancel culture. Or if you follow recent events, boycotting Gigabyte over exploding PSU's is cancel culture. Employees denying service to someone who just trashed the store and took a dump at aisle 5 are also participating in cancel culture. Airlines cancel customers who make the flight unsafe all the time. Heck, you can end up on a no-fly list and get cancelled by a huge number of airlines for that one time you popped the emergency exit to take a smoke on the wing of the plane, waiting for things to proceed. The main difference is that usually you don't call some of those cancel culture unless you dislike what it's about.
  - nix23 5y ago
    >Cancel culture is both ways. If you ask "is it bad to deny serving someone you don't like" you also have to ask "is it bad to deny getting service from someone you don't like". That's not Cancel culture, that's just "stand for what you think is right" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancel_culture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancel_culture >The notion of cancel culture is a variant on the term call-out culture and constitutes a form of boycotting or shunning involving an individual (often a celebrity) who is deemed to have acted or spoken in a questionable or controversial manner.
    - zaarn 5y ago
      Cancel culture is indeed "stand for what you think is right". It's simply that the notion of a service contract of any type (be it buying in a supermarket, getting a service from a company or being employed by someone) are always two-way, where either side can decide to cancel the other by no longer entering contracts with the other. I would also argue that in the colloquial usage, Call Out Culture, "Stand for what you think is right" and Cancel Culture refer to the same thing in this context.
      - nix23 5y ago
        >Stand for what you think is right That's the difference, you stand for what (you think) is "right", and NOT that everyone else is wrong.
- nix23 5y ago
  He's mindset is like the 60s...oh you are black..sorry i don't serve you coffee, your not even allowed to sit in that coffee-shop. And what's even worse he thinks he that's something good, history repeats itself again and again.

landemva 5y ago

'Google is too big to fail' This could be the underlying problem. When will feds start anti-trust actions against the tech behemoths?

radu_floricica 5y ago

I happen to really really dislike you, personally, based on the opinions above. How would you feel if I refused to offer you service in your favorite cafe? This is called cancel culture. In a polarized society everybody has a beef with somebody else. To get served you'd need to have neighborhoods specific to each subculture - god knows the last elections were proof that it's not just a thought experiment. Or are you're going to insist that the minorities you mentioned are real scumbangs and they're the only ones not deserving service? Well, who decides that, society-wise? You'd need committees to discuss who's protected and who's not. Can you deny service to As? Or to Bs? God, what a mess. What we have now is a decent situation, mostly because it's simple and it works. You have a strong society-wide bias on offering service to everybody. The owner is free to deny service in extreme cases, but they very rarely do. The law says you can't filter based on a few criteria (like race), but that's mostly not needed because of the strong default above. Why change it?

zaarn 5y ago
Cancel culture is both ways. If you ask "is it bad to deny serving someone you don't like" you also have to ask "is it bad to deny getting service from someone you don't like". Conversly, I don't like google and I try to avoid using their services. That's cancel culture. Or if you follow recent events, boycotting Gigabyte over exploding PSU's is cancel culture. Employees denying service to someone who just trashed the store and took a dump at aisle 5 are also participating in cancel culture. Airlines cancel customers who make the flight unsafe all the time. Heck, you can end up on a no-fly list and get cancelled by a huge number of airlines for that one time you popped the emergency exit to take a smoke on the wing of the plane, waiting for things to proceed. The main difference is that usually you don't call some of those cancel culture unless you dislike what it's about.
- nix23 5y ago
  >Cancel culture is both ways. If you ask "is it bad to deny serving someone you don't like" you also have to ask "is it bad to deny getting service from someone you don't like". That's not Cancel culture, that's just "stand for what you think is right" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancel_culture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancel_culture >The notion of cancel culture is a variant on the term call-out culture and constitutes a form of boycotting or shunning involving an individual (often a celebrity) who is deemed to have acted or spoken in a questionable or controversial manner.
  - zaarn 5y ago
    Cancel culture is indeed "stand for what you think is right". It's simply that the notion of a service contract of any type (be it buying in a supermarket, getting a service from a company or being employed by someone) are always two-way, where either side can decide to cancel the other by no longer entering contracts with the other. I would also argue that in the colloquial usage, Call Out Culture, "Stand for what you think is right" and Cancel Culture refer to the same thing in this context.
    - nix23 5y ago
      >Stand for what you think is right That's the difference, you stand for what (you think) is "right", and NOT that everyone else is wrong.
nix23 5y ago
He's mindset is like the 60s...oh you are black..sorry i don't serve you coffee, your not even allowed to sit in that coffee-shop. And what's even worse he thinks he that's something good, history repeats itself again and again.