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It's crazy how much better the US manned photos are on the Hasselblad. There's absolutely no imperfections. I wonder how the US managed to get such crystal cle

It's crazy how much better the US manned photos are on the Hasselblad. There's absolutely no imperfections. I wonder how the US managed to get such crystal clear photos.

aYsY4dDQ2NrcNzA 5y ago
Stanley Kubrick was well known for his abiding interest in camera technology. /s
- danielheath 5y ago
  Reminds me of the excellent joke - "Getting Stanley Kubrick to fake the moon landing seemed like it'd save a lot of effort, but the man insisted on shooting on location."
- dylan604 5y ago
  I wonder how much this rumor has to do with how Kubrick used NASA lenses.[0] This one and flat earth have been my favorite consipracy theories. [0]https://petapixel.com/2016/07/18/check-legendary-nasa-f0-7-lens-frakencamera-kubrick-used/ https://petapixel.com/2016/07/18/check-legendary-nasa-f0-7-l...
jiberius 5y ago
The biggest reason was that the Apollo program was able to return film from the surface of the Moon to Earth. Many of these photos weren't returned to Earth in film form. Instead they were developed onboard the spacecraft, scanned, transmitted via radio, and then recorded onto tape on the ground. Every step of that process incurs a decent bit of quality loss. You can actually tell which probes had a reentry module because the photo quality is pretty stunning compared to the photos transmitted over radio, look at Zond 8 which returned film negatives to Earth.
- baybal2 5y ago
  American videocameras were way superior as well. Tube cameras Russia used up into 200x were inferior than RCA ones from sixties. Consumer technology, and monetary incentives make mirracles. Hard to fathom that today's "supercomputer in the pocket" came out of efforts to build superior gaming PCs, and frag more people in Q3.
  - dylan604 5y ago
    Except those american videocameras were probably made in Japan. Sony, Nikon, Ikegami, JVC, ...
    - baybal2 5y ago
      There were no Japanese videocameras in sixties
      - bellyfullofbac 5y ago
        A quick google says you're wrong: https://global.canon/en/c-museum/product/cine253.html https://global.canon/en/c-museum/product/cine253.html What is it with Internet commenters who are cocksure despite not knowing what they're talking about?
        baybal2 5y ago
        This is not a videocamera
        bellyfullofbac 5y ago
        Well, color me embarassed. But why the pivot of the discussion to the video cameras? Maybe to emphasize "America superior"?
        herendin2 5y ago
        What is it with Internet commenters who are cocksure despite not knowing what they're talking about?
- hellbannedguy 5y ago
  I've never heard this. I'm not saying it's wrong. I was told the all the Astronauts were trained on the Hasselblads, and Hasselblads are great cameras--even today. The great high def pictures were developed on earth, but I'm not sure now. I remember hearing they came home with hundreds if rolls of film. The film footage was sent to earth via radio waves, but was grainy.
pankajdoharey 5y ago
I am actually more surprised at the Full Robotic rovers on the moon in 1970. India even with modern technology finds it hard to land a rover compared to what soviets did in those days with limited technology is beyond impressive.
- robbedpeter 5y ago
  The cold war and space race created a magical level of incentive in both the USA and USSR. It makes a lot of modern culture look very petty in contrast.
  - pankajdoharey 5y ago
    The incentive still exists, But the entertainment industry has taken the front seat. All that creative energy is now spent making youtube, tiktok videos.
    - Xplune13 5y ago
      and I don't find anything wrong with that. It would be great if this field would have more creative energy and enthusiasm among general audience, but bashing it on people that are doing something different than what you and I think is better is just wrong. People are making videos either because they want to or there are greater incentives for that than space fields. The goal should be to create more enthusiasm among people about this field and provide greater incentives to work in this field rather than bashing their fields. What you said in the last sentence reeks of "how the field I like is superior than others".
    - 2Gkashmiri 5y ago
      creative energy =/= tiktok. i don't know. i see the tiktok generation as druggies who require a daily shot of likes and hearts and shares to feel the adrenaline and dopamine shot. call me old fashioned but i do not have an online presence in my name. I learned from the early days to not give my real name in chat rooms and things carried over from there. i do not own a youtube/google account and use newpipe so i do not have the urge to "comment" on a video on youtube, or use twitter to voice my opinion. Anyway, what i am getting to us, why doesn't someone like musk re-start the science grassroots level industry across the world? we have things like pi and arduino which are doing their bit in helping re build the hacker culture in the kids but imo its needs more energetic push, across the world. imagine what kids can do with current tech if they are made to pour their energy from tiktok cringe into science
galaxyLogic 5y ago
But, there are no stars in any of the pictures taken on the Moon, the sky is black, even though there is no atmosphere, and these were Hasselblads. There are many beautiful pictures of starry sky taken on Earth, then why no stars show up in the pictures taken on Moon with the best cameras of the time, and no atmospheric interference?
- skhr0680 5y ago
  You can test this with a camera at home. Take a single exposure photo of the full moon so that it’s exposed correctly (the looney 11 rule can be helpful), then count how many stars show up.
  - galaxyLogic 5y ago
    Couldn't they have taken the picture in the shadow of their capsule and point the camera at the stars? Because of no atmosphere to reflect sunlight I think they could have easily captured beautiful images of brightest stars ever. Maybe they just didn't think of that. In hindsight that would have been a great thing to do, to show us how sky looks from the Moon. They were scientists after all and they were supposed to document what they saw, including the stars they saw, I would think. And there were multiple missions to Moon. Why didn't anybody think of doing such a simple thing? I would think that if I were on moon and looked up I would say "Wow I've never seen stars shine so brightly, I better take a picture so I can show folks back home ..." SEEN: https://www.etsy.com/listing/757288317/milky-way-starry-night-sky-over-lost?gpla=1&gao=1&&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_us_a-art_and_collectibles-prints-giclee&utm_custom1=_k_CjwKCAjw95yJBhAgEiwAmRrutLwTq4v_f5flfdg9QzPPeIcF7D2YzWMXnTefEmMDm7yumhYsm2E7nRoCC44QAvD_BwE_k_&utm_content=go_12560178692_116282858061_506948947417_pla-354814757658_c__757288317_116930084&utm_custom2=12560178692&gclid=CjwKCAjw95yJBhAgEiwAmRrutLwTq4v_f5flfdg9QzPPeIcF7D2YzWMXnTefEmMDm7yumhYsm2E7nRoCC44QAvD_BwE https://www.etsy.com/listing/757288317/milky-way-starry-nigh...
    - skhr0680 5y ago
      > Couldn’t they have ... > Why didn't anybody think of doing such a simple thing? Your second test at home is to take a photo of the stars. Bonus points if you can do it in one photo and with technology that existed in 1969.

It's crazy how much better the US manned photos are on the Hasselblad. There's absolutely no imperfections. I wonder how the US managed to get such crystal clear photos.

aYsY4dDQ2NrcNzA 5y ago

Stanley Kubrick was well known for his abiding interest in camera technology. /s

danielheath 5y ago
Reminds me of the excellent joke - "Getting Stanley Kubrick to fake the moon landing seemed like it'd save a lot of effort, but the man insisted on shooting on location."
dylan604 5y ago
I wonder how much this rumor has to do with how Kubrick used NASA lenses.[0] This one and flat earth have been my favorite consipracy theories. [0]https://petapixel.com/2016/07/18/check-legendary-nasa-f0-7-lens-frakencamera-kubrick-used/ https://petapixel.com/2016/07/18/check-legendary-nasa-f0-7-l...

jiberius 5y ago

The biggest reason was that the Apollo program was able to return film from the surface of the Moon to Earth. Many of these photos weren't returned to Earth in film form. Instead they were developed onboard the spacecraft, scanned, transmitted via radio, and then recorded onto tape on the ground. Every step of that process incurs a decent bit of quality loss. You can actually tell which probes had a reentry module because the photo quality is pretty stunning compared to the photos transmitted over radio, look at Zond 8 which returned film negatives to Earth.

baybal2 5y ago
American videocameras were way superior as well. Tube cameras Russia used up into 200x were inferior than RCA ones from sixties. Consumer technology, and monetary incentives make mirracles. Hard to fathom that today's "supercomputer in the pocket" came out of efforts to build superior gaming PCs, and frag more people in Q3.
- dylan604 5y ago
  Except those american videocameras were probably made in Japan. Sony, Nikon, Ikegami, JVC, ...
  - baybal2 5y ago
    There were no Japanese videocameras in sixties
    - bellyfullofbac 5y ago
      A quick google says you're wrong: https://global.canon/en/c-museum/product/cine253.html https://global.canon/en/c-museum/product/cine253.html What is it with Internet commenters who are cocksure despite not knowing what they're talking about?
      - baybal2 5y ago
        This is not a videocamera
        bellyfullofbac 5y ago
        Well, color me embarassed. But why the pivot of the discussion to the video cameras? Maybe to emphasize "America superior"?
        herendin2 5y ago
        What is it with Internet commenters who are cocksure despite not knowing what they're talking about?
hellbannedguy 5y ago
I've never heard this. I'm not saying it's wrong. I was told the all the Astronauts were trained on the Hasselblads, and Hasselblads are great cameras--even today. The great high def pictures were developed on earth, but I'm not sure now. I remember hearing they came home with hundreds if rolls of film. The film footage was sent to earth via radio waves, but was grainy.

pankajdoharey 5y ago

I am actually more surprised at the Full Robotic rovers on the moon in 1970. India even with modern technology finds it hard to land a rover compared to what soviets did in those days with limited technology is beyond impressive.

robbedpeter 5y ago
The cold war and space race created a magical level of incentive in both the USA and USSR. It makes a lot of modern culture look very petty in contrast.
- pankajdoharey 5y ago
  The incentive still exists, But the entertainment industry has taken the front seat. All that creative energy is now spent making youtube, tiktok videos.
  - Xplune13 5y ago
    and I don't find anything wrong with that. It would be great if this field would have more creative energy and enthusiasm among general audience, but bashing it on people that are doing something different than what you and I think is better is just wrong. People are making videos either because they want to or there are greater incentives for that than space fields. The goal should be to create more enthusiasm among people about this field and provide greater incentives to work in this field rather than bashing their fields. What you said in the last sentence reeks of "how the field I like is superior than others".
  - 2Gkashmiri 5y ago
    creative energy =/= tiktok. i don't know. i see the tiktok generation as druggies who require a daily shot of likes and hearts and shares to feel the adrenaline and dopamine shot. call me old fashioned but i do not have an online presence in my name. I learned from the early days to not give my real name in chat rooms and things carried over from there. i do not own a youtube/google account and use newpipe so i do not have the urge to "comment" on a video on youtube, or use twitter to voice my opinion. Anyway, what i am getting to us, why doesn't someone like musk re-start the science grassroots level industry across the world? we have things like pi and arduino which are doing their bit in helping re build the hacker culture in the kids but imo its needs more energetic push, across the world. imagine what kids can do with current tech if they are made to pour their energy from tiktok cringe into science

galaxyLogic 5y ago

But, there are no stars in any of the pictures taken on the Moon, the sky is black, even though there is no atmosphere, and these were Hasselblads. There are many beautiful pictures of starry sky taken on Earth, then why no stars show up in the pictures taken on Moon with the best cameras of the time, and no atmospheric interference?

skhr0680 5y ago
You can test this with a camera at home. Take a single exposure photo of the full moon so that it’s exposed correctly (the looney 11 rule can be helpful), then count how many stars show up.
- galaxyLogic 5y ago
  Couldn't they have taken the picture in the shadow of their capsule and point the camera at the stars? Because of no atmosphere to reflect sunlight I think they could have easily captured beautiful images of brightest stars ever. Maybe they just didn't think of that. In hindsight that would have been a great thing to do, to show us how sky looks from the Moon. They were scientists after all and they were supposed to document what they saw, including the stars they saw, I would think. And there were multiple missions to Moon. Why didn't anybody think of doing such a simple thing? I would think that if I were on moon and looked up I would say "Wow I've never seen stars shine so brightly, I better take a picture so I can show folks back home ..." SEEN: https://www.etsy.com/listing/757288317/milky-way-starry-night-sky-over-lost?gpla=1&gao=1&&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_us_a-art_and_collectibles-prints-giclee&utm_custom1=_k_CjwKCAjw95yJBhAgEiwAmRrutLwTq4v_f5flfdg9QzPPeIcF7D2YzWMXnTefEmMDm7yumhYsm2E7nRoCC44QAvD_BwE_k_&utm_content=go_12560178692_116282858061_506948947417_pla-354814757658_c__757288317_116930084&utm_custom2=12560178692&gclid=CjwKCAjw95yJBhAgEiwAmRrutLwTq4v_f5flfdg9QzPPeIcF7D2YzWMXnTefEmMDm7yumhYsm2E7nRoCC44QAvD_BwE https://www.etsy.com/listing/757288317/milky-way-starry-nigh...
  - skhr0680 5y ago
    > Couldn’t they have ... > Why didn't anybody think of doing such a simple thing? Your second test at home is to take a photo of the stars. Bonus points if you can do it in one photo and with technology that existed in 1969.