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Would be interesting to know if big manufacturers then only sell their most dependable models in the NZ market, in order to avoid the costs that they can avoid

Would be interesting to know if big manufacturers then only sell their most dependable models in the NZ market, in order to avoid the costs that they can avoid in more business-friendly markets like the US. It would be a good way to decide which products to buy. Is this (equivalent) model sold in New Zealand? If so, it's probably known by the manufacturer to be solid. If not, avoid it at all costs.

exporectomy 5y ago
A lot of consumers probably don't know or care so they might get away with the same products and just take the hit from the few returns. I'm in NZ and never knew about that reasonable lifetime bit. I just have a vague awareness that most appliances come with a card saying they have a 1 or 2 year warranty and beyond that, assume it's on me. There's usually some language like "in addition to your rights under the CGA" but who knows what those rights are. Also, below some price, it's just too much hassle to have figure out how returning it works and weighing the risk that I might get charged for the repair if it turns out to be due to mistreatment, not a defect.
thevagrant 5y ago
What happens is that big companies try to trick consumers (as most consumers are not aware of their legal rights). Common tactics are: * It will cost x to fix this, as a gesture we will share the inflated repair cost with you 50/50. * We don't make this model anymore but we have an identical model with a different serial number, we can offer you that at a "discount". * We found the item had water damage and this is not covered in our warranty, even when we advertised these items being used in water. * We are happy to repair the item but first we need to have the item inspected by a repair agent to see how the fault occurred. Please be aware if we find the fault is caused by you, then you agree to pay x dollar value amount even if we do not repair item (because you were at fault) * Item spends many weeks being assessed for repair. Doesn't get repaired, sent back. Repeat. .. and many more. Only when you stand firm and start spouting the legal requirements do they suddenly resolve the situation VERY quickly. I dealt with dodgy Samsung fridges and they tried to "share" the repair cost with me. I politely declined, then sent them an email citing my legal rights. Samsung then repaired the fridge promptly and no longer tried to talk with me about sharing costs of repair. Most consumers fall for the tricks above or give up and buy a new item. I don't think international companies care too much, they are adept selling to the masses. Those that cite the rules to get a repair are likely to be a tiny minority. There is another aspect of the law which is less known. It is not actually Samsung or large manufacturer on the hook for consumer guarantee. It is the retailer. The retailer has to remedy the situation. If Samsung packs up operations, the retailer still needs to stand by the product it sold. This means that the retailer has an incentive to work with more reliable manufacturers and suppliers and will promptly ditch troublesome suppliers.
ant6n 5y ago
It's probably cheaper to insure and replace garbage Hardware.

exporectomy 5y ago

A lot of consumers probably don't know or care so they might get away with the same products and just take the hit from the few returns. I'm in NZ and never knew about that reasonable lifetime bit. I just have a vague awareness that most appliances come with a card saying they have a 1 or 2 year warranty and beyond that, assume it's on me. There's usually some language like "in addition to your rights under the CGA" but who knows what those rights are. Also, below some price, it's just too much hassle to have figure out how returning it works and weighing the risk that I might get charged for the repair if it turns out to be due to mistreatment, not a defect.

thevagrant 5y ago

What happens is that big companies try to trick consumers (as most consumers are not aware of their legal rights). Common tactics are: * It will cost x to fix this, as a gesture we will share the inflated repair cost with you 50/50. * We don't make this model anymore but we have an identical model with a different serial number, we can offer you that at a "discount". * We found the item had water damage and this is not covered in our warranty, even when we advertised these items being used in water. * We are happy to repair the item but first we need to have the item inspected by a repair agent to see how the fault occurred. Please be aware if we find the fault is caused by you, then you agree to pay x dollar value amount even if we do not repair item (because you were at fault) * Item spends many weeks being assessed for repair. Doesn't get repaired, sent back. Repeat. .. and many more. Only when you stand firm and start spouting the legal requirements do they suddenly resolve the situation VERY quickly. I dealt with dodgy Samsung fridges and they tried to "share" the repair cost with me. I politely declined, then sent them an email citing my legal rights. Samsung then repaired the fridge promptly and no longer tried to talk with me about sharing costs of repair. Most consumers fall for the tricks above or give up and buy a new item. I don't think international companies care too much, they are adept selling to the masses. Those that cite the rules to get a repair are likely to be a tiny minority. There is another aspect of the law which is less known. It is not actually Samsung or large manufacturer on the hook for consumer guarantee. It is the retailer. The retailer has to remedy the situation. If Samsung packs up operations, the retailer still needs to stand by the product it sold. This means that the retailer has an incentive to work with more reliable manufacturers and suppliers and will promptly ditch troublesome suppliers.

ant6n 5y ago

It's probably cheaper to insure and replace garbage Hardware.