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The ecological impact of this shouldn't be ignored. Imagine the number of iPhones that are activation locked due to oversight of owners before disposal. They a

The ecological impact of this shouldn't be ignored. Imagine the number of iPhones that are activation locked due to oversight of owners before disposal. They are much more likely to become e-waste. Possession as the primary indicator of ownership isn't such a bad option after all. At the very least, there should be a well-known process to remove these locks.

bluGill 5y ago
> The ecological impact of this shouldn't be ignored. Pretty low so long as they only use it for theft. Thieves will soon learn not to steal TVs as there is no value in it. As such it is only a small number of bricked TVs that are landfilled early - nothing compared to all the TVs already landfilled. Now if this is used for something other than theft cases it can get bad, but in this case at least it is a good thing that helps all honest people. > At the very least, there should be a well-known process to remove these locks. There is. Or so they claim, I don't know if it works or not, but supposedly you can just send proof of legal purchase.
- ant6n 5y ago
  Thieves will still steal TV's, they will just end up in panel repair shops. iPhones still get stolen as well, even though they are worth much less.
  - SilverRed 5y ago
    iOS 15 takes things up a level. Your phone will remain trackable on the find my network even while the phone is turned off and it will remain trackable for weeks after the battery is "flat". Sure there are still methods you could use but it makes theft another level harder. The serial numbers and authentication on each part could also be used to brick each part of the phone if it is marked as stolen making them useless for resale as parts.
- alerighi 5y ago
  What proof? A receipt from a shop barely lasts the 2 years warranty product if you don't photocopy it, because it's printed on thermal paper. And a lot of people doesn't either keep it. Also is this service going to be maintained forever? The reality is that new TVs and in general new electronics are effectively disposable products, not meant to last in the time. While I have at my house an old CRT with valves in it, that I can repair simply with a soldering iron, as I did a couple of times, and other old electronic devices that still works fine, it's not the same for modern crap. When it breaks the only option is to throw it in a landfill. We should start form the past, where everything came with its schematic in it, and thus the facto open source, where they didn't even imagined something opposed to that, it was natural when you purchase something to be in full control of it, to have the right to know how it worked and how to repair it when it failed. And nobody, I mean no user, complained that there wasn't a way to remotely block their TV in case someone steal it.
  - bluGill 5y ago
    > And nobody, I mean no user, complained that there wasn't a way to remotely block their TV in case someone steal it. Only because they didn't know they could. Where TV theft is a problem people will be happy for this where it isn't people will rightly be more worried about the things you point out. > We should start form the past, Modern electronics is a lot more reliable than the old stuff. Sure you can't repair it anymore, but you also don't need to, it just works.

bluGill 5y ago

> The ecological impact of this shouldn't be ignored. Pretty low so long as they only use it for theft. Thieves will soon learn not to steal TVs as there is no value in it. As such it is only a small number of bricked TVs that are landfilled early - nothing compared to all the TVs already landfilled. Now if this is used for something other than theft cases it can get bad, but in this case at least it is a good thing that helps all honest people. > At the very least, there should be a well-known process to remove these locks. There is. Or so they claim, I don't know if it works or not, but supposedly you can just send proof of legal purchase.

ant6n 5y ago
Thieves will still steal TV's, they will just end up in panel repair shops. iPhones still get stolen as well, even though they are worth much less.
- SilverRed 5y ago
  iOS 15 takes things up a level. Your phone will remain trackable on the find my network even while the phone is turned off and it will remain trackable for weeks after the battery is "flat". Sure there are still methods you could use but it makes theft another level harder. The serial numbers and authentication on each part could also be used to brick each part of the phone if it is marked as stolen making them useless for resale as parts.
alerighi 5y ago
What proof? A receipt from a shop barely lasts the 2 years warranty product if you don't photocopy it, because it's printed on thermal paper. And a lot of people doesn't either keep it. Also is this service going to be maintained forever? The reality is that new TVs and in general new electronics are effectively disposable products, not meant to last in the time. While I have at my house an old CRT with valves in it, that I can repair simply with a soldering iron, as I did a couple of times, and other old electronic devices that still works fine, it's not the same for modern crap. When it breaks the only option is to throw it in a landfill. We should start form the past, where everything came with its schematic in it, and thus the facto open source, where they didn't even imagined something opposed to that, it was natural when you purchase something to be in full control of it, to have the right to know how it worked and how to repair it when it failed. And nobody, I mean no user, complained that there wasn't a way to remotely block their TV in case someone steal it.
- bluGill 5y ago
  > And nobody, I mean no user, complained that there wasn't a way to remotely block their TV in case someone steal it. Only because they didn't know they could. Where TV theft is a problem people will be happy for this where it isn't people will rightly be more worried about the things you point out. > We should start form the past, Modern electronics is a lot more reliable than the old stuff. Sure you can't repair it anymore, but you also don't need to, it just works.