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They are, they're just doing it for advertising, not piracy prevention. https://www.samsung.com/us/business/samsungads/resources/tv-ad-retargeting/ https://www

They are, they're just doing it for advertising, not piracy prevention. https://www.samsung.com/us/business/samsungads/resources/tv-ad-retargeting/ https://www.samsung.com/us/business/samsungads/resources/tv-...

netr0ute 5y ago
That's why you never connect any smart TV to your network and instead use a standalone device combined with a PiHole.
- BeefySwain 5y ago
  This only works until every "smart" device has a cellular modem built in.
  - netr0ute 5y ago
    Who pays for the cellular plans?
    - koolba 5y ago
      Amazon put a cellular chip in a Kindle over a decade ago. And that was for a device that cost less than $100. One year of advertising and analytics would easily cover the cost in a larger purchase like a TV.
    - prepend 5y ago
      We do as part of the device cost. 5G makes it pretty cheap so a manufacturer adding in a radio ups their cost by a dollar or two. The revenue from surveillance is marginally profitable including data costs.
  - Buttons840 5y ago
    You can come up with other fun conspiracies by realizing that the HDMI spec can share internet connections. Plugging in your "fire cast", or whatever external television device you use, could provide your TV an internet connection, but it doesn't seem to be widely used yet.
    - sgrove 5y ago
      This is, it seems, just untrue. It was posted before (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24668736 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24668736) and I was curious about this attack vector so looked it up [0] Simply put, it seems that this never took off and would require the entire hdmi chain to support it (tv, cable, and device) - none of which do currently, so for the medium future it doesn't seem to be a concern. Plenty of concern elsewhere, just not necessarily here. [0] https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/325215/appletv-ethernet-over-hdmi https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/325215/appletv-eth...
      - nitrogen 5y ago
        It's definitely real. A/V receivers are the typical devices to support HEC, so you can run one Ethernet cable to the receiver and use a smart TV with the HDMI audio return channel, with one HDMI cable.
        sgrove 5y ago
        Interesting! You're suggesting that the A/V would bridge the ethernet connection over the HDMI cable audio signal?
        nitrogen 5y ago
        That's the intent, and it's still in the latest HDMI spec, so I think those threads about HEC being dead were premature. I haven't used it myself.
        detaro 5y ago
        > A/V receivers are the typical devices to support HEC Then you surely can name a few models that support Ethernet over HDMI? (Somehow people keep claiming that this is totally a thing, but nobody ever can confirm a single device)
        nitrogen 5y ago
- joshstrange 5y ago
  Which is where things like Amazon Sidewalk or even just a 3g/4g sim come in... I'm glad the current state of TVs isn't using this (that I know up) but I fear it's right around the corner. I just want a dumb TV that I hook my Xbox and Apple TV up to.
  - netr0ute 5y ago
    > Amazon Sidewalk or even just a 3g/4g sim The fix for these is in this video: https://youtu.be/urglg3WimHA https://youtu.be/urglg3WimHA
the-dude 5y ago
> piracy prevention. privacy prevention.
prepend 5y ago
Actually it’s kind of odd to me that Samsung isn’t doing this to block child porn. Since they are already scanning content to sell to marketers it’s odd that they aren’t also scanning it for CP or anything else with a defined set of hashes. I’d prefer Samsung not do this at all, but if they are scanning for making money, they should scan for public good.

netr0ute 5y ago

That's why you never connect any smart TV to your network and instead use a standalone device combined with a PiHole.

BeefySwain 5y ago
This only works until every "smart" device has a cellular modem built in.
- netr0ute 5y ago
  Who pays for the cellular plans?
  - koolba 5y ago
    Amazon put a cellular chip in a Kindle over a decade ago. And that was for a device that cost less than $100. One year of advertising and analytics would easily cover the cost in a larger purchase like a TV.
  - prepend 5y ago
    We do as part of the device cost. 5G makes it pretty cheap so a manufacturer adding in a radio ups their cost by a dollar or two. The revenue from surveillance is marginally profitable including data costs.
- Buttons840 5y ago
  You can come up with other fun conspiracies by realizing that the HDMI spec can share internet connections. Plugging in your "fire cast", or whatever external television device you use, could provide your TV an internet connection, but it doesn't seem to be widely used yet.
  - sgrove 5y ago
    This is, it seems, just untrue. It was posted before (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24668736 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24668736) and I was curious about this attack vector so looked it up [0] Simply put, it seems that this never took off and would require the entire hdmi chain to support it (tv, cable, and device) - none of which do currently, so for the medium future it doesn't seem to be a concern. Plenty of concern elsewhere, just not necessarily here. [0] https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/325215/appletv-ethernet-over-hdmi https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/325215/appletv-eth...
    - nitrogen 5y ago
      It's definitely real. A/V receivers are the typical devices to support HEC, so you can run one Ethernet cable to the receiver and use a smart TV with the HDMI audio return channel, with one HDMI cable.
      - sgrove 5y ago
        Interesting! You're suggesting that the A/V would bridge the ethernet connection over the HDMI cable audio signal?
        nitrogen 5y ago
        That's the intent, and it's still in the latest HDMI spec, so I think those threads about HEC being dead were premature. I haven't used it myself.
      - detaro 5y ago
        > A/V receivers are the typical devices to support HEC Then you surely can name a few models that support Ethernet over HDMI? (Somehow people keep claiming that this is totally a thing, but nobody ever can confirm a single device)
        nitrogen 5y ago
joshstrange 5y ago
Which is where things like Amazon Sidewalk or even just a 3g/4g sim come in... I'm glad the current state of TVs isn't using this (that I know up) but I fear it's right around the corner. I just want a dumb TV that I hook my Xbox and Apple TV up to.
- netr0ute 5y ago
  > Amazon Sidewalk or even just a 3g/4g sim The fix for these is in this video: https://youtu.be/urglg3WimHA https://youtu.be/urglg3WimHA

the-dude 5y ago

> piracy prevention. privacy prevention.

prepend 5y ago

Actually it’s kind of odd to me that Samsung isn’t doing this to block child porn. Since they are already scanning content to sell to marketers it’s odd that they aren’t also scanning it for CP or anything else with a defined set of hashes. I’d prefer Samsung not do this at all, but if they are scanning for making money, they should scan for public good.