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>I mean what do you want them to actually do instead? Nothing. Hire more moderators maybe. it also looks dishonest to frame it this way when twitter asks these
by throw6746 5y ago
>I mean what do you want them to actually do instead?
Nothing. Hire more moderators maybe. it also looks dishonest to frame it this way when twitter asks these pii for "spam protection" and yet still can't ban obvious Fiverr-like spam accounts
> Like what other things can we ask for that actually work and aren’t more invasive?
Nothing, somehow plenty of websites do fine without even asking for email, including this one. It seems what you really want to say is "What can we ask from you for it not to cost us anything?".
- Spivak 5y agoObvious to a human manually looking at the account isn't obvious to a computer system that has to pick them out a huge dataset. You will never be able to ban Fiverr type accounts because for the same reason residential VPNs work well. You're paying someone who has a clean record and will send all the right signals. HN works because it's niche. It can be moderated by a handful of people. Once you cross the "can't be moderated by humans" threshold of size you're solving a completely different problem. I won't knock you for saying "well then you shouldn't exist at that scale" but that's a non-answer for the real world where giving up PII in exchange for participating in a huge social network is a trade enough people are willing to make that you feel pressure to do it in order to get in.
- throw6746 5y ago> someone who has a clean record It doesn't follow to me, those people open thousands of account for those scams, how are they clean? They are not sophisticated, they don't even use them like real humans and it's literally for $5! > "can't be moderated by humans" threshold Is it a threshold or simply a cost center that starts to be big and needs to be slashed in order to please shareholders? To me it's perfectly possible to be big and have moderators, you just can't have it cheaply.
- CydeWeys 5y agoThey've already rejected doing nothing, as it doesn't work. I want Tesla to give me a free car too, but it ain't happening. At some point a company makes decisions you aren't gonna agree with and your only recourse is to not use them. If that means you can't read Twitter, then that's the price you pay. You aren't "owed" a free Twitter account solely on your own personal terms.
- johnnyanmac 5y ago>You aren't "owed" a free Twitter account no you see, that's the problem. I don't WANT a twitter account, but I apparently need to use the site to view local updates in my town. I'm perfectly happy continuing to not post there. I just don't see the benefit in making me find an extension around this annoyance so I can continue to not have a twitter account.
- ballenf 5y agoNo one's asking for a free car. They're asking for a stop to major companies lying to the public. To stop harvesting people's data under false pretenses. I think citizens can and should demand those things from companies that choose to incorporate in their country. That avail themselves of the legal systems and protections. That take advantage of the workforce present. Companies are free to choose where they operate and incorporate.
- dustymcp 5y agoYet customers love free stuff, aslong as they can send cat pictures they dont care.
- throw6746 5y ago> You aren't "owed" a free Twitter account solely on your own personal terms. It's funny that all those companies are trying to get so big and so central to our lives, to the point many news (including from police precincts or first responders) are only posted on twitter or fb, yet when you point out they shouldn't ask you a phone number to access them it's "they owe you nothing".