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Which is not reassuring considering their past abuse of phone numbers provided for allegedly only security reasons. [0] [0] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/
by 0x_rs 5y ago
Which is not reassuring considering their past abuse of phone numbers provided for allegedly only security reasons. [0]
[0] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/10/twitter-uninentionally-uses-your-2fa-number-targeted-advertising https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/10/twitter-uninentionally...
- sneak 5y agoIt's worse: Twitter staff sold private user PII to the Saudi government (the one that assassinates journalists): https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/alexkantrowitz/how-saudi-arabia-infiltrated-twitter https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/alexkantrowitz/how-saud...
- eurasiantiger 5y agoRemind me again, why did we leave IRC?
- Barrin92 5y agoplenty of people never left IRC, but Twitter right now is probably a thousand times larger than IRC was at its peak. IRC is a niche community for nerds, not a platform with mainstream appeal. The same is even true for more user friendly, modern services like Mastodon. 99% of users just don't value the things you value in these services.
- VWWHFSfQ 5y agoBecause IRC hasn't meaningfully improved in about 30 years. There have been attempts to make it friendlier with things like IRCCloud, but then the beards just scoff at the idea of a $5/month bouncer-as-a-service and go right back to wondering why the protocol is dying.
- JadeNB 5y ago> Because IRC hasn't meaningfully improved in about 30 years. I'd way rather have something that doesn't improve for 30 years than something that actively gets worse at a rapid clip.
- bityard 5y agoCan't tell if you're being ageist on purpose but "the beards" don't _have_ to use IRCCloud and can just keep using their TUI clients and bouncer daemons if they want instead of having their UX change weekly at the whim of some resume-driven front-end team.
- bsanr2 5y agoWell, here's one issue: I can tell you what a reply and hashtag is but I'm going to fail the quiz that asks me to define a TUI client. (And don't get the Chrsmistian Fundamentalists hellbent on taking downn Tumblr et al. starter anything involving a "daemon".)
- dvtrn 5y ago.....what is this comment?
- bsanr2 5y agoMe being far too confident in Samsung's spellcheck, is what. It's too late to edit but you get the gist: nerd stuff must don user-friendly garb for to not scare the customers. UX.
- flyinglizard 5y agoThis sounds like the release candidate of GPT-3 which hasn’t made it.
- officeplant 5y agoBegone print daemon, thou shall not infect mine systems.
- Arrath 5y agoThis is a crusade I could get behind.
- Arnavion 5y ago
- smoldesu 5y agoI'd argue that Twitter hasn't been improved meaningfully in the past decade either, certainly no more than how IRCCloud has 'improved' upon IRC.
- HWR_14 5y agoWhat does IRC lack that is an improvement you missed in the last 30 years?
- blacktriangle 5y agoI think the lack of channel history is a big showstopper for many people but personally I think that's a feature. The idea that I should have to dig through slack history and its rambling conversation format to find information pertinent to my work is downright dumb.
- hk__2 5y agoIRC is just a protocol; it’s not immune to these issues (see the last Freenode debacle).
- turminal 5y agoIt is immune, precisely because it's a protocol. Freenode is dead but switching to another network is literally as simple as pointing the client to a different domain name.
- richardfey 5y agoAnd recreating all existing channels
- danellis 5y agoSo the same as the HTTP protocol (i.e. switching from a website like Twitter to another, similar, website).
- teawrecks 5y agoTIL people use twitter for its "HTTP protocol". Great comparison!
- ipaddr 5y agoMost use it through the app protocol which is cross platform.
- turminal 5y agoComparing protocols like that is comparing apples to oranges, but I think I see your point. When people say 'I miss IRC', they don't necessarily mean the technicalities of the protocol though.
- root_axis 5y agoIt's not apples to oranges, it's directly analogous: both represent federated networks on the internet where users have the freedom to decide which client they want to use and which servers they want to connect to.
- tomc1985 5y agoBecause corporate interests have brainwashed us into thinking that IRC isn't good enough any more
- autoexec 5y agoI often hear people suggest that the internet couldn't exist without corporate interests and surveillance capitalism. usually along the lines of "If there were no ads, we wouldn't have any internet at all!" That's an example of what corporate interests have brainwashed people into thinking. They didn't have to turn us against IRC. Most internet users don't even know it exists.
- debaserab2 5y agoSo, in this fictitious world where IRC is a stable protocol and easy enough for the average layperson to use, who pays for the IRC server bills and how?
- tomc1985 5y ago> easy enough for the average layperson to use At one point it was easy enough for the average person to use, because the average person had to deal with a command-line. But tech, in its infinite quest to Make More Money, keeps chasing the dumbest of the dumb so that it can expand its market into an imagined infinity. It kinds of reminds me of the windshield repair shop that takes a baseball bat to nearby windshields at night to drive business How about we work towards unwinding this whole mess and meet users in the middle?? FOSS and open protocols are criminally undervalued because of greed, and all the fake newbie empathy it generates
- notriddle 5y agoHaving better things to do with your time than learning an obscure CLI is not the same thing as being dumb.
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- bityard 5y agoI don't understand the question. IRC is a real-time chat protocol and twitter is a proprietary micro-blogging website. I don't see how the two are related, other than they are both something to do with the Internet.
- tinktank 5y agoDon't be disingenuous.
- heywherelogingo 5y agoYou do understand the question, you've just decided to respond in a silly way.
- cwyers 5y agoIt's not a silly response. The thing about IRC is that there's channels, and you chat with people in those channels. The deal with Twitter is you both publish and subscribe to short messages, but there's no enforcement of reciprocity -- I don't have to follow someone just because they follow me. There are replies, but that's not the same thing, and Twitter is starting to give people more tools to restrict replies to their Tweets, making the platform even less reciprocal. Everyone in an IRC channel gets the same experience, everyone on Twitter gets a unique experience.
- dang 5y agoWould you please stop posting flamebait and/or unsubstantive comments to HN? If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting here, we'd be grateful.
- epistasis 5y agoIf my only current understanding of a question is "that's a silly question," then I'm also going to assume first that it's my failure to understand rather than assuming something worse about someone else.
- lowkey_ 5y ago
- pvarangot 5y agoA combination of we couldn't agree on what character encoding to use, and no one made a good mobile client.
- cpach 5y agoHave you tried Irccloud? It’s good! And it’s available for both Android and iOS.
- habibur 5y agoWe need to revive the ad free, commercial interest free Internet of the 90s. It will be small in size, but so was the internet back then. Someone should come up with a pub-sub distribute micro blogging service like how emails work.
- mikro2nd 5y agomstdn.social
- leephillips 5y agoHow about email?
- smhenderson 5y agopub-sub distribute micro blogging service like how emails work It's called NNTP
- dragontamer 5y agoMore commonly known as Usenet. (Or maybe google groups, lol)
- dredmorbius 5y agoUsenet died of its own inability to handle scaling issues, ranging from culture and posting conventions to various forms of abuse and criminality. https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/3c3xyu/why_usenet_died/ https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/3c3xyu/why_use... Attempting to resurrect Usenet at any scale simply won't work. Even with a lessons-learned set of improvements (Usenet II), it went nowhere.
- Semiapies 5y agoThe culture issue alone is a killer. People say they want the old early-90s internet, but that internet only worked that way because almost nobody outside of universities was on it and nothing on it actually mattered to anybody.
- mlang23 5y agoDid you? Some of "us" never did.
- rchaud 5y agoHow do you show programmatic ads to people on IRC?
- autoexec 5y agobots? seems possible if you don't mind those ads being text
- cpach 5y agoI didn’t :-p TBH: These days I prefer other venues though. E.g. HN, Slack and Facebook groups.
- obviouslynotme 5y agoYou don't have to be on twitter. If we can get more people off that platform, then the world has become a better place. I deleted mine years ago. Never felt better.
- m-p-3 5y agoCompletely different communication paradigm. IRC is an instant-messaging platform, while Twitter is a microblogging platform that was available to anyone in the pre-smartphone era as it was initially tailored for SMS message length. IRC requires a client (okay, you could use a web gateway), and you somewhat need to know what you're doing (not saying it's hard, but the average user might not even care about accessing IRC if it requires a minimum of effort), while Twitter could be used through a flip-phone or accessed simply through a web browser, which you can assume everyone have.
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- the-dude 5y ago> Saudi government (the one that assassinates journalists): Just like the US does : https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/15/all-lies-how-the-us-military-covered-up-gunning-down-two-journalists-in-iraq https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/15/all-lies-how...
- qecez 5y agoJust use a verification service like https://sms4sats.com https://sms4sats.com
- mediochrea 5y agoAh yes, $0.5 per SMS, what a bargain!
- pseudozach 5y agoit depends how much you value your privacy. People that get their phone number/email leaked and get phished would tell you it's worth more than 50 cents. so it's subjective.
- Saris 5y agoWhat is a 'sats'? What is the list of services used for? This needs a lot more explanation built into the site!
- joecool1029 5y ago>What is a 'sats'? Techbro lingo for bitcoin's smallest unit, the satoshi.
- richardfey 5y agoTechsis use a different one?
- 0xdeadb00f 5y agoTwitter is not listed there for my region. So no, I can't just throw some sats at this problem.