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Meh. ALL of the North East was clear cut during colonial times. You only need to notice the property walls running through current dense forests today. Most

Meh. ALL of the North East was clear cut during colonial times. You only need to notice the property walls running through current dense forests today. Most people claiming this have never actually lived outside of cities or suburbs. They've never directly experienced how fast nature takes back. They've never directly experienced how hard it is to fight that continuously.

FooBarBizBazz 5y ago
This is true. Rural Vermont and New Hampshire have seen a lot of passive reforestation after farming moved to the Midwest. It took a few generations. It doesn't always work though. There has to be enough left that it can grow back. And there can't be, say, new grazing animals that prevent that from happening. I'm thinking of, say, Easter Island, or arguably some of the North Atlantic islands like Iceland, Greenland... maybe even Britain (the moors used to be forests in prehistoric times).
foxhop 5y ago
Would you consider that eventually we could as a species accidentally cut too much and cause the system to go out of whack? If that happened, how would it manifest? Would things be fine until nature demands her return on the investment and when she doesn't get it, a collapse happens? I think we are on a ramp toward a collapse when it comes to our environment. We can build better systems than clear cutting which has a huge effect on the ability of a forest to hold water. Additionally forests create rain. We need to stop injecting clouds to try to trigger rain, that shit is dumb, we need to regrow our forests and thankfully we have lots of prior art on how to do that. Yes, the bulk of the work is done by nature, mostly we need to configure the proper inputs, trigger the process and let nature drive, observe and then make minor adjustments to optimize multi yield and surpluses (outputs). We need wood but trashing an ecosystem because it always grows back, is irresponsible. I do understand there on many places were pine is farmed and clear cut multiple times in a monoculture and it's a generational family owned [and more recently corporation owned enterprise]). It works I'm not saying we should block that but even those systems could use a redesign for multi yield with the least destruction when the cutting happens.

FooBarBizBazz 5y ago

This is true. Rural Vermont and New Hampshire have seen a lot of passive reforestation after farming moved to the Midwest. It took a few generations. It doesn't always work though. There has to be enough left that it can grow back. And there can't be, say, new grazing animals that prevent that from happening. I'm thinking of, say, Easter Island, or arguably some of the North Atlantic islands like Iceland, Greenland... maybe even Britain (the moors used to be forests in prehistoric times).

foxhop 5y ago

Would you consider that eventually we could as a species accidentally cut too much and cause the system to go out of whack? If that happened, how would it manifest? Would things be fine until nature demands her return on the investment and when she doesn't get it, a collapse happens? I think we are on a ramp toward a collapse when it comes to our environment. We can build better systems than clear cutting which has a huge effect on the ability of a forest to hold water. Additionally forests create rain. We need to stop injecting clouds to try to trigger rain, that shit is dumb, we need to regrow our forests and thankfully we have lots of prior art on how to do that. Yes, the bulk of the work is done by nature, mostly we need to configure the proper inputs, trigger the process and let nature drive, observe and then make minor adjustments to optimize multi yield and surpluses (outputs). We need wood but trashing an ecosystem because it always grows back, is irresponsible. I do understand there on many places were pine is farmed and clear cut multiple times in a monoculture and it's a generational family owned [and more recently corporation owned enterprise]). It works I'm not saying we should block that but even those systems could use a redesign for multi yield with the least destruction when the cutting happens.