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Hmmm...rehab is tough. Are you expecting someone to show up, keep their money, not work, and come and go as they please? If that is the case then you fail at t

Hmmm...rehab is tough. Are you expecting someone to show up, keep their money, not work, and come and go as they please? If that is the case then you fail at the first step. People who are going to rehab need their entire world consumed with work on a strict schedule. You ever try helping an opioid addict? They immediately try running off to buy drugs in any way they can. They are consumed with chasing the next high and will lie and steal left and right to get it. Family, friends, it doesn't matter. You can put them up, feed them, give them a job, build them a house on your property, involve them in their nieces and nephews lives, and they still sneak off and go on a bender and hide drugs in your house. The fiascos have no bounds. People with normal lives seeing the conditions of a rehab program? They are merely appalled by reality. Find something else to get outraged by.

mrtranscendence 5y ago
I've unfortunately known the kind of person you describe*, I've also known people with drug problems who would not have been well served by having their "entire world consumed with work on a strict schedule". There's a reason most rehabilitation centers don't focus on that kind of treatment -- it's arguably cruel and absolutely not evidence-based. * My fiancee's brother was a nasty piece of work. My "favorite" thing he did was lie for months to their father that he had polycystic kidney disease, a heritable disease which had killed their mother. He just kept pulling money out of their father for "treatments" only for it all to be a ruse. I remember Mike (the dad) being in tears because his son was so close to dying. Ugh, it makes me feel dirty just thinking about it. Edit: although he died a few years later, it was due largely to his not taking care of himself (e.g. untreated diabetes that had already taken his foot). No kidney disease to be seen. And none for my fiancee, knock on wood.
- lupire 5y ago
  Do you have any evidence about what does work?
michaelmrose 5y ago
It's notable that in this article the individual they followed wasn't addicted to anything at the start. He fell behind on paying fines and lost his privilege of probation. The state he is living it using hard labor as a diversion from actually going to prison for potentially longer duration than their term of slavery in a chicken plant. It's not the all consuming nature of the labor that is the issue. The issue is that they actually aren't doing anything whatsoever to help anyone. It's a program to exploit the governments offer of free labor in an environment that first exploits workers and then often destroys them. The individual involved who started with no addiction at all left with a pain pill addition due to permanent spinal damage in unsafe conditions. It's a good article and worth reading.

mrtranscendence 5y ago

I've unfortunately known the kind of person you describe*, I've also known people with drug problems who would not have been well served by having their "entire world consumed with work on a strict schedule". There's a reason most rehabilitation centers don't focus on that kind of treatment -- it's arguably cruel and absolutely not evidence-based. * My fiancee's brother was a nasty piece of work. My "favorite" thing he did was lie for months to their father that he had polycystic kidney disease, a heritable disease which had killed their mother. He just kept pulling money out of their father for "treatments" only for it all to be a ruse. I remember Mike (the dad) being in tears because his son was so close to dying. Ugh, it makes me feel dirty just thinking about it. Edit: although he died a few years later, it was due largely to his not taking care of himself (e.g. untreated diabetes that had already taken his foot). No kidney disease to be seen. And none for my fiancee, knock on wood.

lupire 5y ago
Do you have any evidence about what does work?

michaelmrose 5y ago

It's notable that in this article the individual they followed wasn't addicted to anything at the start. He fell behind on paying fines and lost his privilege of probation. The state he is living it using hard labor as a diversion from actually going to prison for potentially longer duration than their term of slavery in a chicken plant. It's not the all consuming nature of the labor that is the issue. The issue is that they actually aren't doing anything whatsoever to help anyone. It's a program to exploit the governments offer of free labor in an environment that first exploits workers and then often destroys them. The individual involved who started with no addiction at all left with a pain pill addition due to permanent spinal damage in unsafe conditions. It's a good article and worth reading.