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Ok, I’ll indulge you. What is the 2+2=4 for you that you are prevented from saying?

da_big_ghey 5y ago
Not nanis but i have been in places where i couldnt say my opposing as persons talked about gun control. Biggest example in past year is corona though, anybody who disagree with lockdown etc. is anti-mask trump loving redneck in some place, one of which I worked.
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mikeyouse 5y ago
Lol - it turns out it's some antivax conspiracy nonsense that was flagged to death yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28275671 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28275671 Orwell indeed.
- nanis 5y ago
  I am not referring to that argument. There was no "antivax conspiracy nonsense" ... Just people who can't read. I have made no statements regarding vaccination. However, I do consider delaying until after the approval announcement the release of the update to what is known about how many people who are fully vaccinated against Covid19 are dying from Covid19 or being hospitalized due to Covid19 to be suspicious. That is not a conspiracy theory. It happened. Information that was due to be released on Friday was delayed and released after the FDA approval on Monday. The updated information showed that known rates of death from Covid19 among those fully vaccinated against Covid19 continued to increase. Plus, the CDC does not put out a proper time series table[1]. Every week, they overwrite the information from the previous week so one is forced to rely on external snapshots[2] to preserve what should be public record. Plus, many states don't even release or track information about the vaccination status of people who are hospitalized or who die from Covid19. For months now, CDC have been saying: > Ultimately, CDC will use the National Notifiable Diseases Surveillance System (NNDSS) to identify vaccine breakthrough cases. What is the holdup? I summarized why you want to care about that here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28287440 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28287440 None of this is a conspiracy theory: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28280087 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28280087 [1]: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/bre... [2]: https://archive.ph/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html https://archive.ph/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/hea...
- nanis 5y ago
  > Orwell indeed. Wrong, that was Kafkaesque.
rangerdan 5y ago
Question vaccine safety or efficacy in a public forum and you'll see soon what censorship means.
- s1artibartfast 5y ago
  Or say that vaccines confer major protection and the vaccinated should go about their normal lives.
  - rangerdan 5y ago
    Right? Even suggesting that there might possibly be perverse incentives to prolong a state of emergency will raise ire and draw ban hammers.
- twiclo 5y ago
  Watch this get downvoted to prove his point.
  - msbarnett 5y ago
    1984 was not a novel about getting downvoted by other people because they didn’t feel your point was a particularly good or insightful contribution to a discussion board, nor is a downvote in any way equal to censorship in any meaningful sense, so it seems a bit hysterical to suggest it somehow “proves his point”.
    - rangerdan 5y ago
      It's not "censorship" it's "programming" also known as "brainwashing" of a population not to care about contrarian viewpoints, rather to view them as "dangerous" and "conspiracy theories" which only "right wing nuts" believe. You can even see how its infected minds right here on HN. Amazing how quickly 10 years of social media brain rot materializes.
    - nanis 5y ago
      Last year, I tried to put together some sane information about the statistics of testing[1] plus a simple app that allows you to play with the arithmetic[2]. It took very little time to put it together. Everything on it is factually accurate. However, it took me three months to get all the bans on it removed by which point I had given up on the notion of providing sober commentary instead of constant breathless panic mode. At this point, I do not know if it still appears in any blacklists. The simple fact was that with 5% of the population infected, a 2.5% false positive probability, and 10% false negative probability, fully 34.5% of all positive test results will be false. So, a lot of resources will be wasted in tracking, restraining, and constraining people who don't need to be and their absence from the labor market will have further repercussions. Sure, if 95% of the population is infected, the false positive rate will be really low, but then there is really no point to a massive testing infrastructure: Just assume everyone is infected instead of dealing with the fact that 33.9% of the negative results will be false. Testing asymptomatic people repeatedly will likely not provide a net benefit beyond assuaging the fears of the perpetually panicked. This is a recent example I am comfortable discussing in public. [1]: https://www.covid2020.icu/false-positive-false-negative-simulator/ https://www.covid2020.icu/false-positive-false-negative-simu... [2]: https://www.covid2020.icu/false-positive-false-negative-simulator/app.html https://www.covid2020.icu/false-positive-false-negative-simu...

Not nanis but i have been in places where i couldnt say my opposing as persons talked about gun control. Biggest example in past year is corona though, anybody who disagree with lockdown etc. is anti-mask trump loving redneck in some place, one of which I worked.

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mikeyouse 5y ago

Lol - it turns out it's some antivax conspiracy nonsense that was flagged to death yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28275671 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28275671 Orwell indeed.

nanis 5y ago
I am not referring to that argument. There was no "antivax conspiracy nonsense" ... Just people who can't read. I have made no statements regarding vaccination. However, I do consider delaying until after the approval announcement the release of the update to what is known about how many people who are fully vaccinated against Covid19 are dying from Covid19 or being hospitalized due to Covid19 to be suspicious. That is not a conspiracy theory. It happened. Information that was due to be released on Friday was delayed and released after the FDA approval on Monday. The updated information showed that known rates of death from Covid19 among those fully vaccinated against Covid19 continued to increase. Plus, the CDC does not put out a proper time series table[1]. Every week, they overwrite the information from the previous week so one is forced to rely on external snapshots[2] to preserve what should be public record. Plus, many states don't even release or track information about the vaccination status of people who are hospitalized or who die from Covid19. For months now, CDC have been saying: > Ultimately, CDC will use the National Notifiable Diseases Surveillance System (NNDSS) to identify vaccine breakthrough cases. What is the holdup? I summarized why you want to care about that here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28287440 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28287440 None of this is a conspiracy theory: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28280087 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28280087 [1]: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/bre... [2]: https://archive.ph/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html https://archive.ph/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/hea...
nanis 5y ago
> Orwell indeed. Wrong, that was Kafkaesque.

rangerdan 5y ago

Question vaccine safety or efficacy in a public forum and you'll see soon what censorship means.

s1artibartfast 5y ago
Or say that vaccines confer major protection and the vaccinated should go about their normal lives.
- rangerdan 5y ago
  Right? Even suggesting that there might possibly be perverse incentives to prolong a state of emergency will raise ire and draw ban hammers.
twiclo 5y ago
Watch this get downvoted to prove his point.
- msbarnett 5y ago
  1984 was not a novel about getting downvoted by other people because they didn’t feel your point was a particularly good or insightful contribution to a discussion board, nor is a downvote in any way equal to censorship in any meaningful sense, so it seems a bit hysterical to suggest it somehow “proves his point”.
  - rangerdan 5y ago
    It's not "censorship" it's "programming" also known as "brainwashing" of a population not to care about contrarian viewpoints, rather to view them as "dangerous" and "conspiracy theories" which only "right wing nuts" believe. You can even see how its infected minds right here on HN. Amazing how quickly 10 years of social media brain rot materializes.
  - nanis 5y ago
    Last year, I tried to put together some sane information about the statistics of testing[1] plus a simple app that allows you to play with the arithmetic[2]. It took very little time to put it together. Everything on it is factually accurate. However, it took me three months to get all the bans on it removed by which point I had given up on the notion of providing sober commentary instead of constant breathless panic mode. At this point, I do not know if it still appears in any blacklists. The simple fact was that with 5% of the population infected, a 2.5% false positive probability, and 10% false negative probability, fully 34.5% of all positive test results will be false. So, a lot of resources will be wasted in tracking, restraining, and constraining people who don't need to be and their absence from the labor market will have further repercussions. Sure, if 95% of the population is infected, the false positive rate will be really low, but then there is really no point to a massive testing infrastructure: Just assume everyone is infected instead of dealing with the fact that 33.9% of the negative results will be false. Testing asymptomatic people repeatedly will likely not provide a net benefit beyond assuaging the fears of the perpetually panicked. This is a recent example I am comfortable discussing in public. [1]: https://www.covid2020.icu/false-positive-false-negative-simulator/ https://www.covid2020.icu/false-positive-false-negative-simu... [2]: https://www.covid2020.icu/false-positive-false-negative-simulator/app.html https://www.covid2020.icu/false-positive-false-negative-simu...