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This is pretty nuts and a huge distortion to pretend that women haven’t been systematically discriminated for millennia.

laurent92 5y ago
Take a date and tell me the situation of men at that date. One bias is that we look up, and forget to look down.
- rajamaka 5y ago
  The oppression of men that you have described, has predominantly been from the hands of men.
  - drdec 5y ago
    That doesn't make it right, easy to address or something to dismiss. The feminist movement showed that it is possible to address gender roles and inequities in society without it being a zero-sum game. Some men have noticed.
  - luckylion 5y ago
    > has predominantly been from the hands of men. That should probably read "rich people", because while, yes, it was usually men doing the dirty work of enslaving other men, it was usually rich families who reaped the rewards.
  - laurent92 5y ago
    Ah right, so men-on-men violence, it doesn’t count? Because all men are pigs, right? Are you asserting that women can’t do anything about it? Try harder: In 1914, they demonstrated so that single men go to war, because they wanted to be protected. And up to today, the men who date are the ones who are feminist, ie the ones who require other men to do things for women. When it’s men-on-men violence, it’s often in the name of women, who will complacently benefit from, for example, men establishing a large company at the expense of the people who were overworked. The ones who date men do turn a blind eye on the competition men face at work, as long as they have a nice date, a nice holiday together or a nice family. But all those require to be at ease with money, risk bankruptcy for those who create a company, truck accidents for those who work day and night, shootings for those who enter a big drug coup, and cardiac arrest at 45 for office jobs. And god forbid, not annoy the missus with those “details”. It’s just risks we’re talking about, why bother her before they are realized.

laurent92 5y ago

Take a date and tell me the situation of men at that date. One bias is that we look up, and forget to look down.

rajamaka 5y ago
The oppression of men that you have described, has predominantly been from the hands of men.
- drdec 5y ago
  That doesn't make it right, easy to address or something to dismiss. The feminist movement showed that it is possible to address gender roles and inequities in society without it being a zero-sum game. Some men have noticed.
- luckylion 5y ago
  > has predominantly been from the hands of men. That should probably read "rich people", because while, yes, it was usually men doing the dirty work of enslaving other men, it was usually rich families who reaped the rewards.
- laurent92 5y ago
  Ah right, so men-on-men violence, it doesn’t count? Because all men are pigs, right? Are you asserting that women can’t do anything about it? Try harder: In 1914, they demonstrated so that single men go to war, because they wanted to be protected. And up to today, the men who date are the ones who are feminist, ie the ones who require other men to do things for women. When it’s men-on-men violence, it’s often in the name of women, who will complacently benefit from, for example, men establishing a large company at the expense of the people who were overworked. The ones who date men do turn a blind eye on the competition men face at work, as long as they have a nice date, a nice holiday together or a nice family. But all those require to be at ease with money, risk bankruptcy for those who create a company, truck accidents for those who work day and night, shootings for those who enter a big drug coup, and cardiac arrest at 45 for office jobs. And god forbid, not annoy the missus with those “details”. It’s just risks we’re talking about, why bother her before they are realized.