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> Humans should study every ad and every app before it gets published Have you seen Brazil? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_(1985_film) https://en.wikiped

> Humans should study every ad and every app before it gets published Have you seen Brazil? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_(1985_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_(1985_film) What you are describing sounds for me exactly like a bureaucratic nightmare. > I don't like how they restrict the users but I bloody adore how they restrict the apps Honestly, that brought me to go away from Apple. They reject apps randomly, allow terrible security holes that affect ALL applications over relying on safari mobile web views (Pegasus) and do nothing against scams (see discussions over family sharing): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28203361 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28203361

user-the-name 5y ago
> Have you seen Brazil? Brazil is fiction. Judging how you relate to things in the real world by comparing them with things that were made up to be funny is not how you achieve insight.
- matthewh806 5y ago
  Um... Yes, Brazil is fiction but the dystopia it portrays is rooted in extrapolations of the times in which it was made. Its absolute nonsense to shoot someone down on the basis that they draw parallels to movies or other artforms. Especially if those works of fiction are intended as warnings / cautionary tales. As it is i thought the parent comments comparison to Brazil was fairly apt in this situation...
  - qwerty456127 5y ago
    When I watched Brazil the first time as I was a kid I couldn't imagine anything shown there being possible in real life. Especially the lack of the right to repair - we repaired everything from all the plumbing and electric wiring (and that was in apartment buildings, not just in private houses, private houses didn't even require any bureaucracy at all - people just built for themselves whatever way they wanted from whatever materials they had, often without any project whatsoever) to all the electronics, let alone cars ourselves during those days. I also couldn't imagine people being be SWATed in their homes for non-violent offenses (by mistake or not). Now I see the movie has been implemented into life almost precisely and the AI with mass surveillance has been introduced to make it even worse. To make it more fun and looking realistic today they even portrayed people kinda watching Netflix on their office computers when the boss doesn't look (AFAIK computers were not actually capable of streaming videos over the network during the days the movie was filmed).
    - pram 5y ago
      My assumption was the homes in Brazil were owned by the state, so the restrictions aren't even really hyperbolic. If you've ever lived in government/military housing they can come and inspect how clean you're keeping the place at any time, for example.
- reedf1 5y ago
  This is a pretty obtuse perspective. Fiction can be written for the express purpose of achieving insight. Just because something is fictional or humorous doesn't limit that - it can emphasise it. See - A Modest Proposal by Jonathan Swift.
  - user-the-name 5y ago
    The converse does not hold, though, that any satire must give you insight into the real world. Just referencing a random piece of satire when discussing the real world gives absolutely no insight in and of itself.
    - breakfastduck 5y ago
      I'd hardly call one of the most acclaimed dystopian-bureaucracy films a 'random bit of satire'. If you've not watched and understood it (clearly the latter of that is especially true) I dont think you've any right to claim it's not relevant to anything.
      - user-the-name 5y ago
        I've seen it multiple times. I also understand that it is fiction, and it is exaggerated, and it is highly silly. It is not a prophecy, it not a guide to reality, it is a silly film by a guy from Monty Python who was annoyed at bureaucracy, a very simple and shared part of human experience.
        matthewh806 5y ago
        So why are you criticising someone highlighting annoyance of encroaching bureaucracy referencing a work of fiction that deals with this "shared part of human experience" in a "simple way"? No one is saying its a 1:1 guide to reality, but as a nightmare vision of a dystopia gripped by unnecessary administrative apparatus, silly or not, it is a work of fiction that takes its root from reality and then makes a farce of it. There are reasons works like kafkaesque, orwellian, ballardian become part of the lexicon despite all dealing with fictional universes of their own making...
- breakfastduck 5y ago
  Hot take of the year - all fiction is irrelevant and incomparable to the real world. How the hell can anyone come to that conclusion I don't know.
  - user-the-name 5y ago
    Try reading what is actually said before responding.
    - breakfastduck 5y ago
      That's a bit rich coming from you in this context.
- Shorel 5y ago
  Like all the good science fiction, Brazil has a very strong component of social commentary. The time machine is about class division and class warfare. 1984 is about Stalin's style totalitarianism. And so on...
  - user-the-name 5y ago
    Having social commentary is not the same as having insight. You can easily comment on society, and have those comments be absolute garbage. Not saying that Brazil does this, but just because someone comments, does not mean they have something important to say.
    - matthewh806 5y ago
      Yeah, but it seems like you're trying to have it both ways. On the one hand you're arguing that the insights into society can be absolute garbage and on the other implying (or suggesting) that Brazil doesn't necessarily fall into this category. So what is it then? Brazil does make interesting points about encroaching bureaucracy (and therefore the parents post is justified)? I think you took the point about Brazil a bit too literally, the poster was never suggesting that the world is suddenly exactly that way, more highlighting the parallels. I think you need to allow yourself to suspend disbelief a little more and realise the very deliberate allegorical nature of these movies... I mean, judging by the greyed out appearance of all your posts on this topic I would say it seems you're in the minority with this kind of opinion.

user-the-name 5y ago

> Have you seen Brazil? Brazil is fiction. Judging how you relate to things in the real world by comparing them with things that were made up to be funny is not how you achieve insight.

matthewh806 5y ago
Um... Yes, Brazil is fiction but the dystopia it portrays is rooted in extrapolations of the times in which it was made. Its absolute nonsense to shoot someone down on the basis that they draw parallels to movies or other artforms. Especially if those works of fiction are intended as warnings / cautionary tales. As it is i thought the parent comments comparison to Brazil was fairly apt in this situation...
- qwerty456127 5y ago
  When I watched Brazil the first time as I was a kid I couldn't imagine anything shown there being possible in real life. Especially the lack of the right to repair - we repaired everything from all the plumbing and electric wiring (and that was in apartment buildings, not just in private houses, private houses didn't even require any bureaucracy at all - people just built for themselves whatever way they wanted from whatever materials they had, often without any project whatsoever) to all the electronics, let alone cars ourselves during those days. I also couldn't imagine people being be SWATed in their homes for non-violent offenses (by mistake or not). Now I see the movie has been implemented into life almost precisely and the AI with mass surveillance has been introduced to make it even worse. To make it more fun and looking realistic today they even portrayed people kinda watching Netflix on their office computers when the boss doesn't look (AFAIK computers were not actually capable of streaming videos over the network during the days the movie was filmed).
  - pram 5y ago
    My assumption was the homes in Brazil were owned by the state, so the restrictions aren't even really hyperbolic. If you've ever lived in government/military housing they can come and inspect how clean you're keeping the place at any time, for example.
reedf1 5y ago
This is a pretty obtuse perspective. Fiction can be written for the express purpose of achieving insight. Just because something is fictional or humorous doesn't limit that - it can emphasise it. See - A Modest Proposal by Jonathan Swift.
- user-the-name 5y ago
  The converse does not hold, though, that any satire must give you insight into the real world. Just referencing a random piece of satire when discussing the real world gives absolutely no insight in and of itself.
  - breakfastduck 5y ago
    I'd hardly call one of the most acclaimed dystopian-bureaucracy films a 'random bit of satire'. If you've not watched and understood it (clearly the latter of that is especially true) I dont think you've any right to claim it's not relevant to anything.
    - user-the-name 5y ago
      I've seen it multiple times. I also understand that it is fiction, and it is exaggerated, and it is highly silly. It is not a prophecy, it not a guide to reality, it is a silly film by a guy from Monty Python who was annoyed at bureaucracy, a very simple and shared part of human experience.
      - matthewh806 5y ago
        So why are you criticising someone highlighting annoyance of encroaching bureaucracy referencing a work of fiction that deals with this "shared part of human experience" in a "simple way"? No one is saying its a 1:1 guide to reality, but as a nightmare vision of a dystopia gripped by unnecessary administrative apparatus, silly or not, it is a work of fiction that takes its root from reality and then makes a farce of it. There are reasons works like kafkaesque, orwellian, ballardian become part of the lexicon despite all dealing with fictional universes of their own making...
breakfastduck 5y ago
Hot take of the year - all fiction is irrelevant and incomparable to the real world. How the hell can anyone come to that conclusion I don't know.
- user-the-name 5y ago
  Try reading what is actually said before responding.
  - breakfastduck 5y ago
    That's a bit rich coming from you in this context.
Shorel 5y ago
Like all the good science fiction, Brazil has a very strong component of social commentary. The time machine is about class division and class warfare. 1984 is about Stalin's style totalitarianism. And so on...
- user-the-name 5y ago
  Having social commentary is not the same as having insight. You can easily comment on society, and have those comments be absolute garbage. Not saying that Brazil does this, but just because someone comments, does not mean they have something important to say.
  - matthewh806 5y ago
    Yeah, but it seems like you're trying to have it both ways. On the one hand you're arguing that the insights into society can be absolute garbage and on the other implying (or suggesting) that Brazil doesn't necessarily fall into this category. So what is it then? Brazil does make interesting points about encroaching bureaucracy (and therefore the parents post is justified)? I think you took the point about Brazil a bit too literally, the poster was never suggesting that the world is suddenly exactly that way, more highlighting the parallels. I think you need to allow yourself to suspend disbelief a little more and realise the very deliberate allegorical nature of these movies... I mean, judging by the greyed out appearance of all your posts on this topic I would say it seems you're in the minority with this kind of opinion.