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Apple is getting worse day after day. I'm still hoping that one day the EU Commission will finally go after them and force them to open up their stuff.

jjgreen 5y ago
Why? They're clearly an abusive company, just don't do business with them.
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  UK government had to plead and beg for a year untill it was allowed to release an app to let half the population using iPhone register their legal rights: https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/04/10/apple-agrees-to-open-iphone-nfc-for-uks-brexit-app-by-end-of-2019 https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/04/10/apple-agrees-to-o...
- 57844743385 5y ago
  Because that’s where the users are.
- michaelt 5y ago
  The options are: * Faceless multinational A, that gives lip service to privacy and doesn't give a shit about freedom * Faceless multinational B, that gives lip service to freedom and doesn't give a shit about privacy * Trying to kickstart an alternative ecosystem - a task that Microsoft, one of the richest companies in the world, was unsuccessful at. * Not owning a smartphone
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - kilroy123 5y ago
    We desperately need a true linux phone. No, not the damn pinephone which is not ready to be your moms daily driver phone. I'm talking one that actually works and is on par with linux desktops.
    - metalliqaz 5y ago
      After decades Linux still hasn't penetrated the PC desktop. Not holding my breath for a viable mobile ecosystem.
    - ayushnix 5y ago
      If the state of Linux on desktops is anything to go by, Linux on smartphones will never be a success story either. I frequently regret buying a ThinkPad with AMD CPU/GPU after listening to the propaganda about open source GPU drivers. My laptop was basically a paperweight for a month until I downgraded linux-firmware package. No one wants to deal with this shit.
      - Hackbraten 5y ago
        > No one wants to deal with this shit. YMMV but I do. That kind of hassle is the tax that I’m perfectly willing to pay for having FOSS stuff. Let’s celebrate that we have options.
      - shaan7 5y ago
        Curious, which ThinkPad was this? I got a T14s with AMD last year and it is one of best laptops I've used till date, and works with Linux out of the box, incl graphics, networking, USB-C docks etc.
        ayushnix 5y ago
        The ThinkPad model doesn't really matter because all of them would use the same AMDGPU driver and firmware assuming it has AMD hardware. If you're interested, here's a thread about the issue me and several other people have been facing. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=266358 https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=266358 The issue has been "fixed" for now by downgrading to the March 2021 release of Linux Firmware for most people. Of course, this isn't really a fix.
    - Hackbraten 5y ago
      I’d prefer a libre phone that barely works than any of the other bullets.
  - jjgreen 5y ago
    Your option 4 works fine for me.
- madeofpalk 5y ago
  > Why? They're clearly an abusive company, just don't do business with them. The market just does not have the ability to act here. Facebook literally incited genocide on the other side of the world and Facebook experienced zero repercussions
- bogwog 5y ago
  This is a website of mostly software developers and people working in tech. If you fall into that demographic, how do you avoid doing business with Apple? They're entrenched in the duopoly on desktop, the duopoly on mobile, and the duopoly on browsers. Refusing to do business with Apple will only make you feel good about yourself, but it will significantly hurt your career prospects if you're a working developer, and ruin any hope of success if you're an entrepreneur trying to start or run a tech company. For all intents and purposes, they're a monopoly. If you're a fan of the Hasbro game, you might disagree on the exact definition, but Apple (and peers) is unquestionably in a position where they're immune to market forces. Capitalism doesn't work right when you have companies like that.
  - jjgreen 5y ago
    If you fall into that demographic, how do you avoid doing business with Apple? Fairly easily, I have an X1 running Linux as my dev machine (I'm backend/ML) and don't have a phone. No need to worry about my career, I'm doing OK thanks.

jjgreen 5y ago

Why? They're clearly an abusive company, just don't do business with them.

ClumsyPilot 5y ago
UK government had to plead and beg for a year untill it was allowed to release an app to let half the population using iPhone register their legal rights: https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/04/10/apple-agrees-to-open-iphone-nfc-for-uks-brexit-app-by-end-of-2019 https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/04/10/apple-agrees-to-o...
57844743385 5y ago
Because that’s where the users are.
michaelt 5y ago
The options are: * Faceless multinational A, that gives lip service to privacy and doesn't give a shit about freedom * Faceless multinational B, that gives lip service to freedom and doesn't give a shit about privacy * Trying to kickstart an alternative ecosystem - a task that Microsoft, one of the richest companies in the world, was unsuccessful at. * Not owning a smartphone
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- kilroy123 5y ago
  We desperately need a true linux phone. No, not the damn pinephone which is not ready to be your moms daily driver phone. I'm talking one that actually works and is on par with linux desktops.
  - metalliqaz 5y ago
    After decades Linux still hasn't penetrated the PC desktop. Not holding my breath for a viable mobile ecosystem.
  - ayushnix 5y ago
    If the state of Linux on desktops is anything to go by, Linux on smartphones will never be a success story either. I frequently regret buying a ThinkPad with AMD CPU/GPU after listening to the propaganda about open source GPU drivers. My laptop was basically a paperweight for a month until I downgraded linux-firmware package. No one wants to deal with this shit.
    - Hackbraten 5y ago
      > No one wants to deal with this shit. YMMV but I do. That kind of hassle is the tax that I’m perfectly willing to pay for having FOSS stuff. Let’s celebrate that we have options.
    - shaan7 5y ago
      Curious, which ThinkPad was this? I got a T14s with AMD last year and it is one of best laptops I've used till date, and works with Linux out of the box, incl graphics, networking, USB-C docks etc.
      - ayushnix 5y ago
        The ThinkPad model doesn't really matter because all of them would use the same AMDGPU driver and firmware assuming it has AMD hardware. If you're interested, here's a thread about the issue me and several other people have been facing. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=266358 https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=266358 The issue has been "fixed" for now by downgrading to the March 2021 release of Linux Firmware for most people. Of course, this isn't really a fix.
  - Hackbraten 5y ago
    I’d prefer a libre phone that barely works than any of the other bullets.
- jjgreen 5y ago
  Your option 4 works fine for me.
madeofpalk 5y ago
> Why? They're clearly an abusive company, just don't do business with them. The market just does not have the ability to act here. Facebook literally incited genocide on the other side of the world and Facebook experienced zero repercussions
bogwog 5y ago
This is a website of mostly software developers and people working in tech. If you fall into that demographic, how do you avoid doing business with Apple? They're entrenched in the duopoly on desktop, the duopoly on mobile, and the duopoly on browsers. Refusing to do business with Apple will only make you feel good about yourself, but it will significantly hurt your career prospects if you're a working developer, and ruin any hope of success if you're an entrepreneur trying to start or run a tech company. For all intents and purposes, they're a monopoly. If you're a fan of the Hasbro game, you might disagree on the exact definition, but Apple (and peers) is unquestionably in a position where they're immune to market forces. Capitalism doesn't work right when you have companies like that.
- jjgreen 5y ago
  If you fall into that demographic, how do you avoid doing business with Apple? Fairly easily, I have an X1 running Linux as my dev machine (I'm backend/ML) and don't have a phone. No need to worry about my career, I'm doing OK thanks.