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Adobe: The Psychology of User Offboarding

172 points by boraoztunc 5y ago

Udo_Schmitz 5y ago
Website: “Use your keyboard arrows to view the story!” Me, using an iPad: “…” Edit: their home page for me is a black void. From their about section: “80,000+ people who care about crafting meaningful experiences for their users.”
- MandieD 5y ago
  “Could this meeting have been an email?” -> “Could this multimedia experience with custom controls have been a blog post?”
  - doubled112 5y ago
    I feel the same way about many video tutorials and reviews. "Could this video tutorial have been 3 written commands?" When reading, it's at my own pace. I can stop and go without extra steps. I can copy and paste. If it's a video, now I have to listen at their pace (and I seem to listen slower than I read), hit pause/resume, adjust my volume because somebody on my side is making noise, go back and forth because I didn't catch something, etc. It's a generally worse experience for me.
    - handrous 5y ago
      The only thing I like about tech tutorial videos is that you see everything they do, including stuff the presenter might not have thought to mention. If you're deep into some unfamiliar territory, this can be very helpful. Otherwise, I'm with you, but I've had co-workers who loved watching YouTube videos about some language feature or another, or whatever, and did so often. I don't get it, but I guess it worked for them.
    - rchaud 5y ago
      The video 'tutorials', especially on Youtube are often an upsell method for paid video courses. Those tend to have a lot more fluff content to pad out the run time.
  - bhandziuk 5y ago
    I get it though. They had a lot more pictures than words to say about those pictures.
mwilcox 5y ago
This whole presentation is ironic. Get to the point
gnicholas 5y ago
Considering that the majority of web traffic is mobile, you’d think these experience designers would have built a site that works on smartphones. It told me to rotate my device, but I had to fiddle around to realize it wanted me to swipe horizontally to move to the next screen. And there was no way to scroll down slightly to center the content on my screen, so the bottom was consistently cut off. Good critique of Adobe, but the presentation was surprisingly lacking.
- jes 5y ago
  Same. I declined to try to read their presentation because of the UX around it.
- 5h 5y ago
  I really enjoyed the presentation, for the first dozen slides ... but wow did reading one short sentence at a time get tired after that.
- yholio 5y ago
  It's not a genuine usability critique of Adobe, it's a design firm trying to maximize attention from PowerPoint addicted managers, because that's where the money is for contracting external design. So the delivery format is tuned to that audience, desktop format, easy to understand slides with funny characters etc., a surprisingly unusable result for everybody outside the target demographic.
alexaholic 5y ago
When I canceled my Adobe subscription 2 years ago, there was no way you could do it from your account. I had to contact support, then spent about about 10 minutes with them until they confirmed my subscription will no longer renew automatically. It took that many minutes because on the one hand they are not the quickest to reply, on the other they’re trained to push another year down your throat. You tell them that you haven’t used it in months and they’re like yeah, sure, but did you know you can get 10% off if you renew? It’s like when you’re at McDonald’s and they ask you if you’d like a soft drink for the full menu. Two differences though: I’ve never seen a McDonald’s clerk insisting on the drink after I tell them it’s not necessary. And, most important, at McDonald’s they sell you a $0.99 Coke, while Adobe (and a lot others) sell you $119.88/y subscriptions.
- uCantCauseUCant 5y ago
  Users should automatically write bills for wasted time to cooperations.
- kamray23 5y ago
  Yeah that changed because it's now illegal in many places. In Europe you have to be able to cancel things the same way you subscribed.
  - alexaholic 5y ago
    I didn't know such laws existed. Do you have any sources? FWIW I live in the EU.
    - dboreham 5y ago
      California has such a law. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=BPC&sectionNum=17602 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio....
Bendy 5y ago
Adobe CC has a lousy cancellation process for the same reason the US has had lousy foreign policy—it doesn’t need a good one. There is no alternative, and until there is they’re not going to give up the joy of causing pain to those disgusting evil customers who thought of leaving them if they’re not going to be compensated.
- willis936 5y ago
  I get by just fine with FOSS alternatives. Just about the only thing that CC has that I haven't seen a good FOSS alternative for is pdf editing a la acrobat. Functionally I can still get by with a license of Acrobat 9 that's over a decade old.
  - Bendy 5y ago
    Do you use these alternatives professionally? What kind of work have you undertaken?
    - willis936 5y ago
      Some more than others, yes. If Adobe was content to only target the content creator market then they would be putting more effort into distinguishing their product and less effort into trying to frustrate users into submission. It's a numbers game and their biggest markets are not ones that use the software for professional content creation.
  - at-fates-hands 5y ago
    Someone put this together a while ago, but its huge list of Adobe alternatives: https://i.redd.it/v69jbvw559861.jpg https://i.redd.it/v69jbvw559861.jpg
- mdip 5y ago
  I tend to agree with the statement "There is no alternative", as it relates to a few of their products and certain fields/companies. Adobe makes a lot of stuff[0] As in, there's going to be a lot of places/work where "Photoshop" and a few others are it. There are FOSS alternatives, and some very good ones at that, but they're not used in the majority of professional contexts. The problem, though, is that would imply there being no need for such an ugly cancellation process. It would be less costly to make cancellation simple. Skip all of the UX dark-pattern research, A/B testing, metrics/telemetry used to hone that process to reduce cancellation and just give 'em a button. For commercial/professional users in some contexts, you're almost certainly right -- they're not switching to something else any time soon. But I have to believe this nonsense was put there for reasons beyond those users. I think back to my Dad, who purchased the full Adobe Acrobat suite in the mid 00s (something like $500/pop) because he didn't realize he could fill in Acrobat forms for nothing. I wonder how many users of CC are in my Dad's shoes, in which case these screens -- last-ditch efforts to "sort-of scam" a customer into staying -- make more sense. [0] Try Adobe Experience Manager one day. No. Don't.
cyberstuff 5y ago
Adobe is horrendous for cancelling, this is actually an improvement from what it used to be.
devops000 5y ago
I had to block my card because canceling was too complicated.
pahn 5y ago
As someone recently having gone through that: The cancellation experience is bad, but nothing compared to the experience of then deinstalling Adobe CC. After some fixing I did get my machine to at least boot without throwing error messages, but I still see Adobe stuff hanging around my system. Ugh.
- kamray23 5y ago
  Well why would you ever uninstall Adobe CC? You love Adobe CC don't you? You wouldn't give it up would you? You need Adobe CC to live don't you?
- deltron3030 5y ago
  Yeah. It isn't fun whith an outgoing firewall, there's always a new service trying to connect to some server, whith such funky names that you kinda have to verify that it's an official server before you greenlight it. I'm wondering if they (or a third party) gonna make use of Windows 365 cloud PC's with Creative Cloud preinstalled and just sell access to it when needed.
- elliekelly 5y ago
  I’m convinced it’s literally impossible to remove it from your machine. I once ran tree on root before and after installing so I would know exactly what to remove when I was done with the project. And I was absolutely determined to remove every trace of it. I probably spent days in total attempting to rid my machine of the malware before giving up. It’s everywhere. And when you remove it their sneaky pings home (even after you’re no longer a customer!) find a way to put it right back on your machine. The people behind Blender, Figma, etc. are doing a public service as far as I’m concerned. The sooner Adobe dies as a company the better.
- dimmke 5y ago
  I've had this opinion for years: Adobe is the Microsoft of creative software. They're gigantic and ubiquitous, but their software is miserable garbage and they don't care. I luckily only ever did web design with their software, and Sketch has been a viable tool for me for about 5 years so I am not trapped in their ecosystem.
jart 5y ago
If it's hard to figure out how to cancel a subscription then just do a chargeback. Since it costs you nothing and is very expensive to the business. Punish them for the dark patterns and spying and bloated nodejs background processes.
thejackgoode 5y ago
After having similar experience with The Economist, I have switched all subscriptions I’m not sure I will renew to single-usage cards. Luckily there’s more and more banking providers who support this.
joppy 5y ago
I had to sign back into my computer on my windows install so that I could run the uninstaller, which seemed very odd. I had a one month subscription to in design so I could make some stationery (which went very well), but having to sign in to uninstall a few months later was a bit rude.
tehabe 5y ago
Love how during the presentation suddenly a chat window appeared while I still was paying attention to the presentation, I had to refocus to deal with that one. At first I thought it was part of it but it wasn't. I'm not sure if the person pays attention to their own advice.
- rchaud 5y ago
  The reality is that perfect UX rarely converts as well as nagging CTAs like this. He could have stuck the "Read more Studies like this" CTA at the end of the presentation where it would be non-intrusive. But people like me are not going to read all the way to the end. This a slideshow, and tapping Right Arrow to reveal each thought bubble is irritatingly slow way to go through the story. It's a creative one, but it's far too slow to effectively communicate this level of minutiae (e.g. "email subject line is truncated in Gmail's desktop UI").
pubudutr 5y ago
I do agree cancelling the subscription was difficult, but this was a horrendous effort at signing up people to their site. A sudden chat window to check if i'm interested. And then last page call to action trying to sign me up for more case studies in big bold buttons. The author doesn't seem to be following their own advice.
jansan 5y ago
Considering that I am not much interested in Adobe's user offboarding, but still clicked through the whole story and read most of it, this must be quite a good format to get information across.
mdip 5y ago
Well presented and right in line with my thinking. These "Are you sure you want to leave? You'll be giving up all this . . .". They come off like the kinds of things you have yelled at you after you break up with someone. And because Adobe is not applying any level of intelligence to the process, what's the likelihood that they show me a feature that frustrated/disappointed me as a "reason to stay"? What are you going to say to me? Break-up arguments: "You'll never find anyone who loves you like me, again!" (I know, that's the idea). And my biggest pet-peeve -- "Here's some discounts, please stay" ("I can change!"). You're now telling me that you've been over-charging me. If I've gotten to your cancellation page[3], I'm gone. In fact, you can demonstrate to me that I'm making a mistake by actually doing the one thing I'm asking you to do and then making it really easy for me to either (a) have nothing to do with you ever again or (b) come back painlessly: We're really sorry to see you go. We hope you'll come back, but we get it. Let's not do long good-byes. Here's an archive of everything you might want from our service. We'll delete that if you want, otherwise we'll keep it here for 6 months so you don't need to feel rushed. If you change your mind during that time, you can just login and we'll get your account sorted back out in a couple of steps. I'd be so surprised seeing something like that, I might end up undoing my choice[4]. A few years ago a museum season-pass cancellation, done via phone, got really close to this. The call started with processing the cancellation and confirming that my credit card would no longer be charged. They made an offer after that point, but it wasn't "would you come back if we knocked $10 off?", rather "We only had the one season-pass option before, and I noticed you use about half of your tickets and only in the summer ... we're offering a summer-only option next year that is less than half what you were paying." Had my kids not become sick of the place with how often we went that year, that would have had me come back. [0] So much so that it's near sport for me -- I make sure to do a Timeshare Presentation (with all of the free gifts) as often as they will keep giving me free gifts to channel Nancy Reagan and Just Say No. [1] Crazy over-simplification, especially since my Dad owned/founded the business he sold for... [2] Whether or not that's a flat lie that both you (the salesperson) and I (the customer) know, as in used care sales, or one where the vast majority of people really do pay the full price but "squeaky wheels" can sort something out. [3] You can have a simple confirmation exercise in case I sneezed on my touch screen. [4] For all the trouble companies go to keep you from leaving, it's frequent that they make it almost as painful to re-onboard if I do pull the trigger.
mahoho 5y ago
My favorite part of this web design is how sentences are broken up across multiple "slides," so the first half (or third, or fourth) of the sentence disappears when you advance to read the next portion. Very reader-friendly!
- pixelrevision 5y ago
  A great offboarding experience for sure
gertrunde 5y ago
Wow. Think I lasted on that page for under 5 seconds before reacting "Yeugh." and closing the tab.
Helmut10001 5y ago
Until the end, I thought this is a lesson to spot fishing mails. I thought I knew it when some of those screens showed no SSL encryption.
spaetzleesser 5y ago
Reminds me of AOL which was basically impossible to cancel. I don't subscribe to Netflix anymore but I still have positive feelings about their cancellation process which was super straightforward without any dark patterns.
wly_cdgr 5y ago
The absolute worst cancellation process except maybe for The New York Times. I will never use Adobe subscription products again after going through it
- frosted-flakes 5y ago
  Unless they changed something recently, the last time I cancelled my Adobe CC subscription I just signed into my account on their website and clicked "cancel". That's it. And one time I accidentally cancelled it because I meant to go back and logically clicked "cancel" (the button should have been labelled "End Subscription" or something less ambiguous). In that case I called Adobe and in two minutes they uncancelled my subscription by starting a new one, so I got like 3 months free.
wly_cdgr 5y ago
The absolute worst cancellation process I've experienced except maybe for The New York Times. I will never use Adobe subscription products again after going through it
nakedgremlin 5y ago
I think this is an incredibly well done comic-book style walk through analysis. I know a lot of the comments here are about this presentation not being mobile friendly, but one of the tough pieces here is that it's an analysis of a flow that ranges from email to website with commentary on top... that's honestly tough to do without a structured format. I really appreciated the alternative design directions offered and supporting documentation. It really helps reinforce there are best practices and reasons for these dark patterns to exist, albeit for the wrong (or right? depending on your place in an org) reasons.
dusted 5y ago
Nice job pointing out dark patterns on Adobes site when the presentation itself is using a dark pattern in the form of a box with the text "Hey, we built 29 case studies like this one. They're all free… Interested?" and a giant blue button "Yes please!".. sure you can close it, if you zoom in to find the tiny little grey X on white background in the top right corner.
- Rumudiez 5y ago
  Dark patterns for me but not for thee
- cobertos 5y ago
  Got the same thing, doesn't even close when navigate slides. How aggrevating
- agentdrtran 5y ago
  is it a dark pattern when that's basically the end of the article?
  - dusted 5y ago
    The box I'm referring to happened less than half into the article, the one at the end of the article seems quite fair enough :)
AlbertCory 5y ago
privacy.com: use it & take back control. Give the subscription monkeys a temp credit card that only allows for one payment. When Payment #2 fails, they'll notice, believe me. You can choose to "really" cancel, or just let them figure it out.
swalsh 5y ago
I wish Adobe would listen to me when I write in "I am cancelling because you do not support Linux".
- smoldesu 5y ago
  CS6 works out-of-the-box for me in Wine, but I suppose that's not everyone's cup of tea.
  - jraph 5y ago
    No, because you have no guarantee an update won't break your setup. This makes it impossible to keep working on whatever you are working, or even access your work. Moreover, you might not be able to get help from Adobe if you run into issues. Because it is an unsupported setup. It works, but you are on your own. Not that I'm remotely interested in Adobe's products anyway.
    - smoldesu 5y ago
      CS6 hasn't been updated in 3 years, so there's not much to worry about there.
- at-fates-hands 5y ago
  THIS. A thousand times this. Adobe has been literally the only thing that keeps me anchored to my Windows PC. I've seen a lot of talk on the Adobe forums about them not supporting Linux and the responses have been mostly because they think Linux users expect it to be free, and would never pay for it. They also regularly denigrate Linux users as people who like to run lean systems that wouldn't be able to handle the hardware requirements Adobe has for their creative suite products. It was really shocking to read some of the comments from Adobe employees about Linux users and why they won't ever support Linux.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
    Those are weird excuses when the best reason not to support Linux is the ludicrous level of fragmentation and all the problems it causes. That's why most applications that don't support Linux refuse to support Linux.
the_snooze 5y ago
I'm trying to cancel my SimpliSafe service, but their offboarding-friction is much lower-tech than Adobe's. To cancel, SimpliSafe makes you call their customer support during business hours, and they just don't pick up! It'd be easier if my credit card let me audit and block recurring charges from my end, without ever having to interact with the company I'm giving the boot to.
bhandziuk 5y ago
Does this pattern ever work in Adobe' favor? Do people get that deep into the process then think "yeah, I do love Adobe CC. I'll not cancel actually" ? Are people who are trying to save 120$/year really so put off by this process that they don't do it?
tbirdny 5y ago
Great presentation. Adobe has lost their way. Their products are great, so it's sad. I imagine the engineers at Adobe are mad at management for their sales and marketing behavior. If I needed a job and they were hiring, I wouldn't even consider working for them. I might work for Serif though.
axus 5y ago
I wish my corporate training were this fun
aeoleonn 5y ago
Excellent and useful content. Thanks to the authors for this and their site's other content on psychology of design. Valuable knowledge.
jeffalo 5y ago
When you reach the end of the slideshow, it shows a call to action that says: > 84,000 other people are already subscribed. They are from companies like Spotify, Uber, Adobe [...]
bmcahren 5y ago
You can surely balance objectively user-championed concerns with business concerns as a UX professional but I felt a lack of understanding of this concept. For instance, clearly stating exactly what will change when you cancel is a total win in my eyes yet you spent 10+ slides tearing that down simply for the use of the phrase "your favorite apps". Not being clear on a multi-subscription website what will change is a more egregious offboarding failure. Verifying you're the account owner and not just a rando who clicked into an email of your friends account when that person expresses intent to make changes to a subscription is a standard security practice not necessarily an intentional point of cancellation friction. Test this bias yourself by trying to upgrade your plan, I'm certain you will be prompted to sign in prior to being able to upgrade. Overall, the presentation was great but the principles underlying it were weak in my opinion.
- kamray23 5y ago
  I guess his point was that you know, the actual login screen should have happened before you were logged into the account. Then again, asking for re-confirmation after pressing "cancel" is also a common thing.
  - bmcahren 5y ago
    I greatly respect partially authenticated links when I'm emailed about service issues. The same would apply if I wasn't recently authenticated (using a cookie from more than a day ago). Provide read-only access then enforce auth only when mandatory for write permission. Ideally verify my hardware 2FA or a security code generator (but not sms).
ricardobeat 5y ago
A “.design” site that 1) forces me to use landscape mode - so it knows I am on mobile, and then 2) shows keyboard hints…
- jart 5y ago
  The artist also uses a "dark pattern" where a little popup window covers up the right arrow 2/3rds of the way through saying, "HEY SUBSCRIBE TO MY MAILING LIST" what a hypocrite.
  - kamray23 5y ago
    The guy isn't anti-dark pattern, they're pro-user perception. These are all case studies on how best to build a good user perception and what are the best places to put dark pattern in order to not hurt that.

172 points by boraoztunc 5y ago

Website: “Use your keyboard arrows to view the story!” Me, using an iPad: “…” Edit: their home page for me is a black void. From their about section: “80,000+ people who care about crafting meaningful experiences for their users.”

MandieD 5y ago
“Could this meeting have been an email?” -> “Could this multimedia experience with custom controls have been a blog post?”
- doubled112 5y ago
  I feel the same way about many video tutorials and reviews. "Could this video tutorial have been 3 written commands?" When reading, it's at my own pace. I can stop and go without extra steps. I can copy and paste. If it's a video, now I have to listen at their pace (and I seem to listen slower than I read), hit pause/resume, adjust my volume because somebody on my side is making noise, go back and forth because I didn't catch something, etc. It's a generally worse experience for me.
  - handrous 5y ago
    The only thing I like about tech tutorial videos is that you see everything they do, including stuff the presenter might not have thought to mention. If you're deep into some unfamiliar territory, this can be very helpful. Otherwise, I'm with you, but I've had co-workers who loved watching YouTube videos about some language feature or another, or whatever, and did so often. I don't get it, but I guess it worked for them.
  - rchaud 5y ago
    The video 'tutorials', especially on Youtube are often an upsell method for paid video courses. Those tend to have a lot more fluff content to pad out the run time.
- bhandziuk 5y ago
  I get it though. They had a lot more pictures than words to say about those pictures.

mwilcox 5y ago

This whole presentation is ironic. Get to the point

gnicholas 5y ago

Considering that the majority of web traffic is mobile, you’d think these experience designers would have built a site that works on smartphones. It told me to rotate my device, but I had to fiddle around to realize it wanted me to swipe horizontally to move to the next screen. And there was no way to scroll down slightly to center the content on my screen, so the bottom was consistently cut off. Good critique of Adobe, but the presentation was surprisingly lacking.

jes 5y ago
Same. I declined to try to read their presentation because of the UX around it.
5h 5y ago
I really enjoyed the presentation, for the first dozen slides ... but wow did reading one short sentence at a time get tired after that.
yholio 5y ago
It's not a genuine usability critique of Adobe, it's a design firm trying to maximize attention from PowerPoint addicted managers, because that's where the money is for contracting external design. So the delivery format is tuned to that audience, desktop format, easy to understand slides with funny characters etc., a surprisingly unusable result for everybody outside the target demographic.

alexaholic 5y ago

When I canceled my Adobe subscription 2 years ago, there was no way you could do it from your account. I had to contact support, then spent about about 10 minutes with them until they confirmed my subscription will no longer renew automatically. It took that many minutes because on the one hand they are not the quickest to reply, on the other they’re trained to push another year down your throat. You tell them that you haven’t used it in months and they’re like yeah, sure, but did you know you can get 10% off if you renew? It’s like when you’re at McDonald’s and they ask you if you’d like a soft drink for the full menu. Two differences though: I’ve never seen a McDonald’s clerk insisting on the drink after I tell them it’s not necessary. And, most important, at McDonald’s they sell you a $0.99 Coke, while Adobe (and a lot others) sell you $119.88/y subscriptions.

uCantCauseUCant 5y ago
Users should automatically write bills for wasted time to cooperations.
kamray23 5y ago
Yeah that changed because it's now illegal in many places. In Europe you have to be able to cancel things the same way you subscribed.
- alexaholic 5y ago
  I didn't know such laws existed. Do you have any sources? FWIW I live in the EU.
  - dboreham 5y ago
    California has such a law. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=BPC&sectionNum=17602 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio....

Bendy 5y ago

Adobe CC has a lousy cancellation process for the same reason the US has had lousy foreign policy—it doesn’t need a good one. There is no alternative, and until there is they’re not going to give up the joy of causing pain to those disgusting evil customers who thought of leaving them if they’re not going to be compensated.

willis936 5y ago
I get by just fine with FOSS alternatives. Just about the only thing that CC has that I haven't seen a good FOSS alternative for is pdf editing a la acrobat. Functionally I can still get by with a license of Acrobat 9 that's over a decade old.
- Bendy 5y ago
  Do you use these alternatives professionally? What kind of work have you undertaken?
  - willis936 5y ago
    Some more than others, yes. If Adobe was content to only target the content creator market then they would be putting more effort into distinguishing their product and less effort into trying to frustrate users into submission. It's a numbers game and their biggest markets are not ones that use the software for professional content creation.
- at-fates-hands 5y ago
  Someone put this together a while ago, but its huge list of Adobe alternatives: https://i.redd.it/v69jbvw559861.jpg https://i.redd.it/v69jbvw559861.jpg
mdip 5y ago
I tend to agree with the statement "There is no alternative", as it relates to a few of their products and certain fields/companies. Adobe makes a lot of stuff[0] As in, there's going to be a lot of places/work where "Photoshop" and a few others are it. There are FOSS alternatives, and some very good ones at that, but they're not used in the majority of professional contexts. The problem, though, is that would imply there being no need for such an ugly cancellation process. It would be less costly to make cancellation simple. Skip all of the UX dark-pattern research, A/B testing, metrics/telemetry used to hone that process to reduce cancellation and just give 'em a button. For commercial/professional users in some contexts, you're almost certainly right -- they're not switching to something else any time soon. But I have to believe this nonsense was put there for reasons beyond those users. I think back to my Dad, who purchased the full Adobe Acrobat suite in the mid 00s (something like $500/pop) because he didn't realize he could fill in Acrobat forms for nothing. I wonder how many users of CC are in my Dad's shoes, in which case these screens -- last-ditch efforts to "sort-of scam" a customer into staying -- make more sense. [0] Try Adobe Experience Manager one day. No. Don't.

cyberstuff 5y ago

Adobe is horrendous for cancelling, this is actually an improvement from what it used to be.

devops000 5y ago

I had to block my card because canceling was too complicated.

pahn 5y ago

As someone recently having gone through that: The cancellation experience is bad, but nothing compared to the experience of then deinstalling Adobe CC. After some fixing I did get my machine to at least boot without throwing error messages, but I still see Adobe stuff hanging around my system. Ugh.

kamray23 5y ago
Well why would you ever uninstall Adobe CC? You love Adobe CC don't you? You wouldn't give it up would you? You need Adobe CC to live don't you?
deltron3030 5y ago
Yeah. It isn't fun whith an outgoing firewall, there's always a new service trying to connect to some server, whith such funky names that you kinda have to verify that it's an official server before you greenlight it. I'm wondering if they (or a third party) gonna make use of Windows 365 cloud PC's with Creative Cloud preinstalled and just sell access to it when needed.
elliekelly 5y ago
I’m convinced it’s literally impossible to remove it from your machine. I once ran tree on root before and after installing so I would know exactly what to remove when I was done with the project. And I was absolutely determined to remove every trace of it. I probably spent days in total attempting to rid my machine of the malware before giving up. It’s everywhere. And when you remove it their sneaky pings home (even after you’re no longer a customer!) find a way to put it right back on your machine. The people behind Blender, Figma, etc. are doing a public service as far as I’m concerned. The sooner Adobe dies as a company the better.
dimmke 5y ago
I've had this opinion for years: Adobe is the Microsoft of creative software. They're gigantic and ubiquitous, but their software is miserable garbage and they don't care. I luckily only ever did web design with their software, and Sketch has been a viable tool for me for about 5 years so I am not trapped in their ecosystem.

jart 5y ago

If it's hard to figure out how to cancel a subscription then just do a chargeback. Since it costs you nothing and is very expensive to the business. Punish them for the dark patterns and spying and bloated nodejs background processes.

thejackgoode 5y ago

After having similar experience with The Economist, I have switched all subscriptions I’m not sure I will renew to single-usage cards. Luckily there’s more and more banking providers who support this.

joppy 5y ago

I had to sign back into my computer on my windows install so that I could run the uninstaller, which seemed very odd. I had a one month subscription to in design so I could make some stationery (which went very well), but having to sign in to uninstall a few months later was a bit rude.

tehabe 5y ago

Love how during the presentation suddenly a chat window appeared while I still was paying attention to the presentation, I had to refocus to deal with that one. At first I thought it was part of it but it wasn't. I'm not sure if the person pays attention to their own advice.

rchaud 5y ago
The reality is that perfect UX rarely converts as well as nagging CTAs like this. He could have stuck the "Read more Studies like this" CTA at the end of the presentation where it would be non-intrusive. But people like me are not going to read all the way to the end. This a slideshow, and tapping Right Arrow to reveal each thought bubble is irritatingly slow way to go through the story. It's a creative one, but it's far too slow to effectively communicate this level of minutiae (e.g. "email subject line is truncated in Gmail's desktop UI").

pubudutr 5y ago

I do agree cancelling the subscription was difficult, but this was a horrendous effort at signing up people to their site. A sudden chat window to check if i'm interested. And then last page call to action trying to sign me up for more case studies in big bold buttons. The author doesn't seem to be following their own advice.

jansan 5y ago

Considering that I am not much interested in Adobe's user offboarding, but still clicked through the whole story and read most of it, this must be quite a good format to get information across.

mdip 5y ago

Well presented and right in line with my thinking. These "Are you sure you want to leave? You'll be giving up all this . . .". They come off like the kinds of things you have yelled at you after you break up with someone. And because Adobe is not applying any level of intelligence to the process, what's the likelihood that they show me a feature that frustrated/disappointed me as a "reason to stay"? What are you going to say to me? Break-up arguments: "You'll never find anyone who loves you like me, again!" (I know, that's the idea). And my biggest pet-peeve -- "Here's some discounts, please stay" ("I can change!"). You're now telling me that you've been over-charging me. If I've gotten to your cancellation page[3], I'm gone. In fact, you can demonstrate to me that I'm making a mistake by actually doing the one thing I'm asking you to do and then making it really easy for me to either (a) have nothing to do with you ever again or (b) come back painlessly: We're really sorry to see you go. We hope you'll come back, but we get it. Let's not do long good-byes. Here's an archive of everything you might want from our service. We'll delete that if you want, otherwise we'll keep it here for 6 months so you don't need to feel rushed. If you change your mind during that time, you can just login and we'll get your account sorted back out in a couple of steps. I'd be so surprised seeing something like that, I might end up undoing my choice[4]. A few years ago a museum season-pass cancellation, done via phone, got really close to this. The call started with processing the cancellation and confirming that my credit card would no longer be charged. They made an offer after that point, but it wasn't "would you come back if we knocked $10 off?", rather "We only had the one season-pass option before, and I noticed you use about half of your tickets and only in the summer ... we're offering a summer-only option next year that is less than half what you were paying." Had my kids not become sick of the place with how often we went that year, that would have had me come back. [0] So much so that it's near sport for me -- I make sure to do a Timeshare Presentation (with all of the free gifts) as often as they will keep giving me free gifts to channel Nancy Reagan and Just Say No. [1] Crazy over-simplification, especially since my Dad owned/founded the business he sold for... [2] Whether or not that's a flat lie that both you (the salesperson) and I (the customer) know, as in used care sales, or one where the vast majority of people really do pay the full price but "squeaky wheels" can sort something out. [3] You can have a simple confirmation exercise in case I sneezed on my touch screen. [4] For all the trouble companies go to keep you from leaving, it's frequent that they make it almost as painful to re-onboard if I do pull the trigger.

mahoho 5y ago

My favorite part of this web design is how sentences are broken up across multiple "slides," so the first half (or third, or fourth) of the sentence disappears when you advance to read the next portion. Very reader-friendly!

pixelrevision 5y ago
A great offboarding experience for sure

gertrunde 5y ago

Wow. Think I lasted on that page for under 5 seconds before reacting "Yeugh." and closing the tab.

Helmut10001 5y ago

Until the end, I thought this is a lesson to spot fishing mails. I thought I knew it when some of those screens showed no SSL encryption.

spaetzleesser 5y ago

Reminds me of AOL which was basically impossible to cancel. I don't subscribe to Netflix anymore but I still have positive feelings about their cancellation process which was super straightforward without any dark patterns.

wly_cdgr 5y ago

The absolute worst cancellation process except maybe for The New York Times. I will never use Adobe subscription products again after going through it

frosted-flakes 5y ago
Unless they changed something recently, the last time I cancelled my Adobe CC subscription I just signed into my account on their website and clicked "cancel". That's it. And one time I accidentally cancelled it because I meant to go back and logically clicked "cancel" (the button should have been labelled "End Subscription" or something less ambiguous). In that case I called Adobe and in two minutes they uncancelled my subscription by starting a new one, so I got like 3 months free.

wly_cdgr 5y ago

The absolute worst cancellation process I've experienced except maybe for The New York Times. I will never use Adobe subscription products again after going through it

nakedgremlin 5y ago

I think this is an incredibly well done comic-book style walk through analysis. I know a lot of the comments here are about this presentation not being mobile friendly, but one of the tough pieces here is that it's an analysis of a flow that ranges from email to website with commentary on top... that's honestly tough to do without a structured format. I really appreciated the alternative design directions offered and supporting documentation. It really helps reinforce there are best practices and reasons for these dark patterns to exist, albeit for the wrong (or right? depending on your place in an org) reasons.

dusted 5y ago

Nice job pointing out dark patterns on Adobes site when the presentation itself is using a dark pattern in the form of a box with the text "Hey, we built 29 case studies like this one. They're all free… Interested?" and a giant blue button "Yes please!".. sure you can close it, if you zoom in to find the tiny little grey X on white background in the top right corner.

Rumudiez 5y ago
Dark patterns for me but not for thee
cobertos 5y ago
Got the same thing, doesn't even close when navigate slides. How aggrevating
agentdrtran 5y ago
is it a dark pattern when that's basically the end of the article?
- dusted 5y ago
  The box I'm referring to happened less than half into the article, the one at the end of the article seems quite fair enough :)

AlbertCory 5y ago

privacy.com: use it & take back control. Give the subscription monkeys a temp credit card that only allows for one payment. When Payment #2 fails, they'll notice, believe me. You can choose to "really" cancel, or just let them figure it out.

swalsh 5y ago

I wish Adobe would listen to me when I write in "I am cancelling because you do not support Linux".

smoldesu 5y ago
CS6 works out-of-the-box for me in Wine, but I suppose that's not everyone's cup of tea.
- jraph 5y ago
  No, because you have no guarantee an update won't break your setup. This makes it impossible to keep working on whatever you are working, or even access your work. Moreover, you might not be able to get help from Adobe if you run into issues. Because it is an unsupported setup. It works, but you are on your own. Not that I'm remotely interested in Adobe's products anyway.
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    CS6 hasn't been updated in 3 years, so there's not much to worry about there.
at-fates-hands 5y ago
THIS. A thousand times this. Adobe has been literally the only thing that keeps me anchored to my Windows PC. I've seen a lot of talk on the Adobe forums about them not supporting Linux and the responses have been mostly because they think Linux users expect it to be free, and would never pay for it. They also regularly denigrate Linux users as people who like to run lean systems that wouldn't be able to handle the hardware requirements Adobe has for their creative suite products. It was really shocking to read some of the comments from Adobe employees about Linux users and why they won't ever support Linux.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
  Those are weird excuses when the best reason not to support Linux is the ludicrous level of fragmentation and all the problems it causes. That's why most applications that don't support Linux refuse to support Linux.

the_snooze 5y ago

I'm trying to cancel my SimpliSafe service, but their offboarding-friction is much lower-tech than Adobe's. To cancel, SimpliSafe makes you call their customer support during business hours, and they just don't pick up! It'd be easier if my credit card let me audit and block recurring charges from my end, without ever having to interact with the company I'm giving the boot to.

bhandziuk 5y ago

Does this pattern ever work in Adobe' favor? Do people get that deep into the process then think "yeah, I do love Adobe CC. I'll not cancel actually" ? Are people who are trying to save 120$/year really so put off by this process that they don't do it?

tbirdny 5y ago

Great presentation. Adobe has lost their way. Their products are great, so it's sad. I imagine the engineers at Adobe are mad at management for their sales and marketing behavior. If I needed a job and they were hiring, I wouldn't even consider working for them. I might work for Serif though.

axus 5y ago

I wish my corporate training were this fun

aeoleonn 5y ago

Excellent and useful content. Thanks to the authors for this and their site's other content on psychology of design. Valuable knowledge.

jeffalo 5y ago

When you reach the end of the slideshow, it shows a call to action that says: > 84,000 other people are already subscribed. They are from companies like Spotify, Uber, Adobe [...]

bmcahren 5y ago

You can surely balance objectively user-championed concerns with business concerns as a UX professional but I felt a lack of understanding of this concept. For instance, clearly stating exactly what will change when you cancel is a total win in my eyes yet you spent 10+ slides tearing that down simply for the use of the phrase "your favorite apps". Not being clear on a multi-subscription website what will change is a more egregious offboarding failure. Verifying you're the account owner and not just a rando who clicked into an email of your friends account when that person expresses intent to make changes to a subscription is a standard security practice not necessarily an intentional point of cancellation friction. Test this bias yourself by trying to upgrade your plan, I'm certain you will be prompted to sign in prior to being able to upgrade. Overall, the presentation was great but the principles underlying it were weak in my opinion.

kamray23 5y ago
I guess his point was that you know, the actual login screen should have happened before you were logged into the account. Then again, asking for re-confirmation after pressing "cancel" is also a common thing.
- bmcahren 5y ago
  I greatly respect partially authenticated links when I'm emailed about service issues. The same would apply if I wasn't recently authenticated (using a cookie from more than a day ago). Provide read-only access then enforce auth only when mandatory for write permission. Ideally verify my hardware 2FA or a security code generator (but not sms).

ricardobeat 5y ago

A “.design” site that 1) forces me to use landscape mode - so it knows I am on mobile, and then 2) shows keyboard hints…

jart 5y ago
The artist also uses a "dark pattern" where a little popup window covers up the right arrow 2/3rds of the way through saying, "HEY SUBSCRIBE TO MY MAILING LIST" what a hypocrite.
- kamray23 5y ago
  The guy isn't anti-dark pattern, they're pro-user perception. These are all case studies on how best to build a good user perception and what are the best places to put dark pattern in order to not hurt that.