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“Turning vaccines into a political wedge issue is one of the stupidest things I've seen in my life.” It’s truly maddening. My wife (very on the right) refused

“Turning vaccines into a political wedge issue is one of the stupidest things I've seen in my life.” It’s truly maddening. My wife (very on the right) refused to get it and instead talked endlessly about hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, vitamin D. All of which she got from conservative media. Right now she is lying in bed wracked with COVID. Ate up with fever and a cough that sends jolts of panic through me when i hear it echoing down the stairs. It breaks my heart, man. God help us and God bless all of you out there with sick loved ones. Sorry for the sappy post. It’s been a rough few days.

ntSean 5y ago
Don't be sorry. I wish you all the best and for her recovery.
irrational 5y ago
Has actually getting Covid changed her mind at all?
- listless 5y ago
  She has changed her mind. But she will not get the vaccine after this because she will have natural immunity (her view).
  - ev0lv 5y ago
    Is your view different? You don't believe natural immunity?
    - Hedepig 5y ago
      I could be wrong, but I remember reading that a vaccine is more effective than natural immunity
      - radnor 5y ago
        You are correct. A recent study found that un-vaccinated individuals are 2.34 times as likely to be re-infected than vaccinated individuals. Get vaccinated. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm
  - deleted 5y ago
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anonymouswacker 5y ago
Did she take Ivermectin & HCQ? Did she test for Vit D? Or is she unhealthy, and simply contrarian? At least she will be immune once she gets over it. I doubled my Vit D and my doc prescribed Ivermectin lest I risk getting sick. Still no vax for me (philosophical reasons).
- junon 5y ago
  You're part of the problem then.
  - HeroOfAges 5y ago
    When covid becomes endemic, (and it will) will you still feel that way?
  - anonymouswacker 5y ago
    Literally no reason for me to vax (given it has no impact o on transmissibility, cuz science), but the hivemind of shitlibs and big tech doofuses here say otherwise.
    - junon 5y ago
      You're dreadfully misinformed, sir/madame. Being vaccinated absolutely has an impact on transmissibility.
      - anonymouswacker 5y ago
        Vaccinated people spread it too [0]. Maybe they get better faster, but it’s not like we’ll have reliable data, peer reviewed and meta-analyzed. All I see is uncertainty and hubris in the corrupt governments & their corporate sponsors. I’ll wait for my doc to tell me I should take it, not some tool on an internet forum. https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/07/30/1022867219/cdc-study-provincetown-delta-vaccinated-breakthrough-mask-guidance https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/0...
2ion 5y ago
What people with this mindset need to hear is "even if the vaccine has terrible side effects, we will take care of you as well as we can and as well as you could wish, even if the side effects are exctremely rare". In my country at least, if you get any of those vaccines and get Capillary leak syndrome as in some cases, a thrombosis that leaves you mentally incapitated as in some cases, a retinal detachment issue that may leave you blind as in some cases, a myocarditis that may leave you dead in some cases --- then you've lost. You will be a pauper for the rest of your life, as you will have to use up all your assets to pay for care cost until social insurance kicks in. The privilege of getting appropriate financial relief for not being able to work in your profession anymore is reserved for civil servants for life. You're finished. In the UK at least they're planning care facilities for those who suffer from long covid -- here it's not even a formally acknowledged disease, you're treated as any other handicapped person or worse, as a patient with a mental problem rather than phyiscal illness. If you leave people who are afraid of a virus and a vaccine both the choice and tell them taking or not taking the vaccine is their responsibility alone together with the consequences, it's easy to fall into decision fatigue and just do nothing, and ratinalising that behaviour.
- ericmay 5y ago
  > "even if the vaccine has terrible side effects, we will take care of you as well as we can and as well as you could wish, even if the side effects are exctremely rare" I don’t think this will work, because if it did then people would be taking the vaccine right now. The issue is multi-faceted of course, but the discussion of “extremely rare events” is a red herring and a wink wink to vaccine skepticism. It’s like why would we even talk about these extremely rare events and taking care of someone if those events happen, when instead they’re millions of times more likely to suffer from Covid-19? I mean why aren’t you saying “if you drive to the clinic to get a vaccine and get in a car wreck we’ll take care of you” when that is far more likely to occur? Let alone any number of other things like walking outside and getting struck by lightning. The probabilistic case for the vaccine is well beyond settled and even if there was some long-term unknown boogeyman vaccine issue that for some reason causes this vaccine (even the “natural” JnJ one) to behave unlike any other vaccine you would still get the vaccine because of the known probabilities of contracting and suffering/dying from Covid-19 versus an unknown and unknowable probability of some unknown thing occurring at an unknown future date.
silent_cal 5y ago
Doctors who recommend these medications aren't recommending them in isolation, but in combination. Check out the AAPS Guide to Home-Based COVID Treatment for more info. You have to ask yourself why doctors aren't treating people with covid until they can't breathe.
- actuallyalys 5y ago
  According to Wikipedia, "the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a conservative non-profit association that promotes medical disinformation, HIV/AIDS denialism, the abortion-breast cancer hypothesis, vaccine and autism connections, and homosexuality reducing life expectancy."
  - silent_cal 5y ago
    >According to Wikipedia Lol
    - actuallyalys 5y ago
      I mean, the claims on Wikipedia are all cited and line up with what I read in other sources and on its own website.
      - silent_cal 5y ago
        Wikipedia has a liberal bias, according to its co-founder Larry Sanger. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you do too.
        kazinator 5y ago
        In that context, I strongly suspect, "liberal bias" is just a code word that means "intellectual bias" or at least "non-idiot bias". As in, "we have a non-idiot bias; please think about not contributing here if you suspect you might be an idiot". In that context, it does not mean anything like socialist, let alone Marxist-Leninist. However, those who think so might be discouraged, which is a good thing.

ntSean 5y ago

Don't be sorry. I wish you all the best and for her recovery.

irrational 5y ago

Has actually getting Covid changed her mind at all?

listless 5y ago
She has changed her mind. But she will not get the vaccine after this because she will have natural immunity (her view).
- ev0lv 5y ago
  Is your view different? You don't believe natural immunity?
  - Hedepig 5y ago
    I could be wrong, but I remember reading that a vaccine is more effective than natural immunity
    - radnor 5y ago
      You are correct. A recent study found that un-vaccinated individuals are 2.34 times as likely to be re-infected than vaccinated individuals. Get vaccinated. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm
- deleted 5y ago
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anonymouswacker 5y ago

Did she take Ivermectin & HCQ? Did she test for Vit D? Or is she unhealthy, and simply contrarian? At least she will be immune once she gets over it. I doubled my Vit D and my doc prescribed Ivermectin lest I risk getting sick. Still no vax for me (philosophical reasons).

junon 5y ago
You're part of the problem then.
- HeroOfAges 5y ago
  When covid becomes endemic, (and it will) will you still feel that way?
- anonymouswacker 5y ago
  Literally no reason for me to vax (given it has no impact o on transmissibility, cuz science), but the hivemind of shitlibs and big tech doofuses here say otherwise.
  - junon 5y ago
    You're dreadfully misinformed, sir/madame. Being vaccinated absolutely has an impact on transmissibility.
    - anonymouswacker 5y ago
      Vaccinated people spread it too [0]. Maybe they get better faster, but it’s not like we’ll have reliable data, peer reviewed and meta-analyzed. All I see is uncertainty and hubris in the corrupt governments & their corporate sponsors. I’ll wait for my doc to tell me I should take it, not some tool on an internet forum. https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/07/30/1022867219/cdc-study-provincetown-delta-vaccinated-breakthrough-mask-guidance https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/0...

2ion 5y ago

What people with this mindset need to hear is "even if the vaccine has terrible side effects, we will take care of you as well as we can and as well as you could wish, even if the side effects are exctremely rare". In my country at least, if you get any of those vaccines and get Capillary leak syndrome as in some cases, a thrombosis that leaves you mentally incapitated as in some cases, a retinal detachment issue that may leave you blind as in some cases, a myocarditis that may leave you dead in some cases --- then you've lost. You will be a pauper for the rest of your life, as you will have to use up all your assets to pay for care cost until social insurance kicks in. The privilege of getting appropriate financial relief for not being able to work in your profession anymore is reserved for civil servants for life. You're finished. In the UK at least they're planning care facilities for those who suffer from long covid -- here it's not even a formally acknowledged disease, you're treated as any other handicapped person or worse, as a patient with a mental problem rather than phyiscal illness. If you leave people who are afraid of a virus and a vaccine both the choice and tell them taking or not taking the vaccine is their responsibility alone together with the consequences, it's easy to fall into decision fatigue and just do nothing, and ratinalising that behaviour.

ericmay 5y ago
> "even if the vaccine has terrible side effects, we will take care of you as well as we can and as well as you could wish, even if the side effects are exctremely rare" I don’t think this will work, because if it did then people would be taking the vaccine right now. The issue is multi-faceted of course, but the discussion of “extremely rare events” is a red herring and a wink wink to vaccine skepticism. It’s like why would we even talk about these extremely rare events and taking care of someone if those events happen, when instead they’re millions of times more likely to suffer from Covid-19? I mean why aren’t you saying “if you drive to the clinic to get a vaccine and get in a car wreck we’ll take care of you” when that is far more likely to occur? Let alone any number of other things like walking outside and getting struck by lightning. The probabilistic case for the vaccine is well beyond settled and even if there was some long-term unknown boogeyman vaccine issue that for some reason causes this vaccine (even the “natural” JnJ one) to behave unlike any other vaccine you would still get the vaccine because of the known probabilities of contracting and suffering/dying from Covid-19 versus an unknown and unknowable probability of some unknown thing occurring at an unknown future date.

silent_cal 5y ago

Doctors who recommend these medications aren't recommending them in isolation, but in combination. Check out the AAPS Guide to Home-Based COVID Treatment for more info. You have to ask yourself why doctors aren't treating people with covid until they can't breathe.

actuallyalys 5y ago
According to Wikipedia, "the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a conservative non-profit association that promotes medical disinformation, HIV/AIDS denialism, the abortion-breast cancer hypothesis, vaccine and autism connections, and homosexuality reducing life expectancy."
- silent_cal 5y ago
  >According to Wikipedia Lol
  - actuallyalys 5y ago
    I mean, the claims on Wikipedia are all cited and line up with what I read in other sources and on its own website.
    - silent_cal 5y ago
      Wikipedia has a liberal bias, according to its co-founder Larry Sanger. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you do too.
      - kazinator 5y ago
        In that context, I strongly suspect, "liberal bias" is just a code word that means "intellectual bias" or at least "non-idiot bias". As in, "we have a non-idiot bias; please think about not contributing here if you suspect you might be an idiot". In that context, it does not mean anything like socialist, let alone Marxist-Leninist. However, those who think so might be discouraged, which is a good thing.