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>Where is your data that they don’t have long term developmental effects from wearing masks and missing facial cues? Eh? Asking someone to prove a negative whe

by ABCLAW 5y ago

>Where is your data that they don’t have long term developmental effects from wearing masks and missing facial cues? Eh? Asking someone to prove a negative when they indicate there is no positive evidence pointing towards the assertion you're making isn't a 'checkmate' retort. Negatives are much harder to prove than positives. You aren't being gaslit. Maybe take a step back and calm down. Saying things like: >I’m not the one pushing kids to forcefully wear masks. You are. It’s disgusting and one of the worst things we’ve done. Is probably too emotionally charged to result in a good dialog, if that's what you're looking for.

spookthesunset 5y ago
Damn right I’m emotional. Y’all are gaslighting me and trying to bully my daughter into wearing a mask at school. I love my daughters smile. She should show it and not hide it behind a mask. You better have proof it doesn’t fuck her up. It’s so morally disgusting I’d rather not say exactly what I think of people who gleefully want to force kids to wear a mask and write it off as “no big deal” or “my kid doesn’t have a problem”. Suffice so say let’s go with “monster”. The entire burden of proof is on you people trying to make this massive deviation from normal. Not me. You have to support your arguments with more than telling me I’m emotional or blowing it out of proportion. Because I have a right to be massively emotional and pissed off. I am fully within my rights to defend my daughter from what I perceive as a great harm. And y’all have no right to tell me how to feel. Seriously. It’s abuse. You mask people are super abusive. Giant bullies using your loud voices, mockery and name calling to drown out anybody with valid criticisms. So to the “force kids to wear masks” people here, put up or shut up. Show me proof it won’t fuck my daughter up and show me proof it is actually going to benefit her. And if you can’t provide that proof than go bugger off, I’ll yell at you, the administration and my dumbass governor and his unelected health “experts”. My daughter is more important than any of y’all’s unfounded mandates. Because near as I can tell there is absolutely no benefit for the actual child wearing a mask. It’s all for giving the appearance of protecting adults, who have a choice to be fully vaccinated. Which is so immoral and so wrong, again, I’ll refrain from stating exactly what I think of the people pushing for it.
- ABCLAW 5y ago
  >Damn right I’m emotional. Y’all are gaslighting me and trying to bully my daughter into wearing a mask at school. No one is gaslighting you, nor is asking you to discuss things in a civil manner 'abuse'. If you assume everyone discussing this with you are doing so in bad faith despite their best efforts to be reasonable, you don't really keep the door open for any new perspectives.
  - spookthesunset 5y ago
    Yes because your way is the correct way, right? Anybody who disagrees is a dirty, alt-right mis-informed trump fucker. Right? Might as well just say it. We made dramatic, massive social changes virtually overnight and continued them for more than 1.6 years. Why is it so hard to imagine that smart, well intentioned people might have a difference of opinion from the narrative we’ve all had shoved down our throats? Eh? Just magically every single person who is smart and well meaning obviously has to support masks, lockdowns, school closures, and everything else. Otherwise they are a dumb stupid misinformed “them”. It’s absolutely absurd thinking. The arguments made to force this nonsense on people represent some of the worst attributes of humanity. Gaslighting. Abusive. Bullying. Shaming. Narcissistic. Unscientific and completely intellectually dishonest. Seriously. Knock it off. Y’all should be ashamed of yourself.
    - ABCLAW 5y ago
      >Anybody who disagrees is a dirty, alt-right mis-informed trump fucker. Right? Not at all, but that doesn't mean everyone who disagrees is discussing the matter in a civil manner. I've only posted to bring attention to a flaw in your logic, as well as to comment on the emotionally hostile manner in which you've been replying. Just take a step back and calm down; people don't seem to agree with your positions and you're taking it as a personal attack. Engage with people in good faith and discussions will be more fruitful and less emotionally taxing.

by ABCLAW 5y ago

spookthesunset 5y ago

Damn right I’m emotional. Y’all are gaslighting me and trying to bully my daughter into wearing a mask at school. I love my daughters smile. She should show it and not hide it behind a mask. You better have proof it doesn’t fuck her up. It’s so morally disgusting I’d rather not say exactly what I think of people who gleefully want to force kids to wear a mask and write it off as “no big deal” or “my kid doesn’t have a problem”. Suffice so say let’s go with “monster”. The entire burden of proof is on you people trying to make this massive deviation from normal. Not me. You have to support your arguments with more than telling me I’m emotional or blowing it out of proportion. Because I have a right to be massively emotional and pissed off. I am fully within my rights to defend my daughter from what I perceive as a great harm. And y’all have no right to tell me how to feel. Seriously. It’s abuse. You mask people are super abusive. Giant bullies using your loud voices, mockery and name calling to drown out anybody with valid criticisms. So to the “force kids to wear masks” people here, put up or shut up. Show me proof it won’t fuck my daughter up and show me proof it is actually going to benefit her. And if you can’t provide that proof than go bugger off, I’ll yell at you, the administration and my dumbass governor and his unelected health “experts”. My daughter is more important than any of y’all’s unfounded mandates. Because near as I can tell there is absolutely no benefit for the actual child wearing a mask. It’s all for giving the appearance of protecting adults, who have a choice to be fully vaccinated. Which is so immoral and so wrong, again, I’ll refrain from stating exactly what I think of the people pushing for it.

ABCLAW 5y ago
>Damn right I’m emotional. Y’all are gaslighting me and trying to bully my daughter into wearing a mask at school. No one is gaslighting you, nor is asking you to discuss things in a civil manner 'abuse'. If you assume everyone discussing this with you are doing so in bad faith despite their best efforts to be reasonable, you don't really keep the door open for any new perspectives.
- spookthesunset 5y ago
  Yes because your way is the correct way, right? Anybody who disagrees is a dirty, alt-right mis-informed trump fucker. Right? Might as well just say it. We made dramatic, massive social changes virtually overnight and continued them for more than 1.6 years. Why is it so hard to imagine that smart, well intentioned people might have a difference of opinion from the narrative we’ve all had shoved down our throats? Eh? Just magically every single person who is smart and well meaning obviously has to support masks, lockdowns, school closures, and everything else. Otherwise they are a dumb stupid misinformed “them”. It’s absolutely absurd thinking. The arguments made to force this nonsense on people represent some of the worst attributes of humanity. Gaslighting. Abusive. Bullying. Shaming. Narcissistic. Unscientific and completely intellectually dishonest. Seriously. Knock it off. Y’all should be ashamed of yourself.
  - ABCLAW 5y ago
    >Anybody who disagrees is a dirty, alt-right mis-informed trump fucker. Right? Not at all, but that doesn't mean everyone who disagrees is discussing the matter in a civil manner. I've only posted to bring attention to a flaw in your logic, as well as to comment on the emotionally hostile manner in which you've been replying. Just take a step back and calm down; people don't seem to agree with your positions and you're taking it as a personal attack. Engage with people in good faith and discussions will be more fruitful and less emotionally taxing.