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But would anyone pay for it? Basically a relatively closed and essentially almost manually curated web ring seems like it'd offer a lot of value, but who pays?

But would anyone pay for it? Basically a relatively closed and essentially almost manually curated web ring seems like it'd offer a lot of value, but who pays? Maybe it could work if you charge users a super small base fee (let's say $1/month), and charge commercial sites that want to be listed in certain verticals?

asdff 5y ago
I'd be happy to pay per month but if a commercial site can just buy sponsored posts I'm out.
- hardwaresofton 5y ago
  Well I didn't think about it too much but the idea is that the more "salesy" the site (i.e. the further they stray from the ideals of the webring/directory), the higher the price. Also, I wasn't thinking of a stream-of-posts type thing -- more like private, curated search but I guess having a stream makes sense too. Either way, the question then becomes would enough people pay whatever monthly fee would keep the site viable (pay for the curation, bandwidth, etc) to prevent the people running the service from making compromises on the vision...
inetknght 5y ago
> But would anyone pay for it? Content owners' greed is ruining the web. Build websites without any intention of monetary gain and you'll find a much better experience in the web.
- lyaa 5y ago
  It's unfair to demand all costs from content generation to hosting to be borne by the "owners." For the web to work better, we need more aligned incentives, not to disregard the understandable demand of creators of websites and services to get somehow compensated. I do find ads annoying but I find the expectation that everything be absolutely free on the internet quite ridiculous. Also, even when websites are built without any intention of monetization, there are still goals which the creators want to achieve. Some sites are free because they want to change public opinion or facilitate cooperation between groups of people for a common purpose. Others are made to showcase skills or for academic purposes. Lots of people are making all kinds of websites. Some want to be paid and that's fine.
  - inetknght 5y ago
    > It's unfair to demand all costs from content generation to hosting to be borne by the "owners." That's, like, your opinion... man...! > For the web to work better, we need more aligned incentives, not to disregard the understandable demand of creators of websites and services to get somehow compensated. I disagree. I think of the web and the internet like art. Nearly all of the (arguably) best art was produced without compensation. > Also, even when websites are built without any intention of monetization, there are still goals which the creators want to achieve. Yes, but financial gain shouldn't be the primary motivator. When it is then it has a tendency to corrupt everything. > Lots of people are making all kinds of websites. Great! > Some want to be paid and that's fine. Not so great!
- hardwaresofton 5y ago
  I was talking about who would pay to gather and curate the content. The larger the ring the more effort it would take, and someone has to run that service/pay something (whether it's money, time or effort) to keep such an effort going and worthwhile.
eyelidlessness 5y ago
Curated = the next round of “help I’m being censored”.html

asdff 5y ago

I'd be happy to pay per month but if a commercial site can just buy sponsored posts I'm out.

hardwaresofton 5y ago
Well I didn't think about it too much but the idea is that the more "salesy" the site (i.e. the further they stray from the ideals of the webring/directory), the higher the price. Also, I wasn't thinking of a stream-of-posts type thing -- more like private, curated search but I guess having a stream makes sense too. Either way, the question then becomes would enough people pay whatever monthly fee would keep the site viable (pay for the curation, bandwidth, etc) to prevent the people running the service from making compromises on the vision...

inetknght 5y ago

> But would anyone pay for it? Content owners' greed is ruining the web. Build websites without any intention of monetary gain and you'll find a much better experience in the web.

lyaa 5y ago
It's unfair to demand all costs from content generation to hosting to be borne by the "owners." For the web to work better, we need more aligned incentives, not to disregard the understandable demand of creators of websites and services to get somehow compensated. I do find ads annoying but I find the expectation that everything be absolutely free on the internet quite ridiculous. Also, even when websites are built without any intention of monetization, there are still goals which the creators want to achieve. Some sites are free because they want to change public opinion or facilitate cooperation between groups of people for a common purpose. Others are made to showcase skills or for academic purposes. Lots of people are making all kinds of websites. Some want to be paid and that's fine.
- inetknght 5y ago
  > It's unfair to demand all costs from content generation to hosting to be borne by the "owners." That's, like, your opinion... man...! > For the web to work better, we need more aligned incentives, not to disregard the understandable demand of creators of websites and services to get somehow compensated. I disagree. I think of the web and the internet like art. Nearly all of the (arguably) best art was produced without compensation. > Also, even when websites are built without any intention of monetization, there are still goals which the creators want to achieve. Yes, but financial gain shouldn't be the primary motivator. When it is then it has a tendency to corrupt everything. > Lots of people are making all kinds of websites. Great! > Some want to be paid and that's fine. Not so great!
hardwaresofton 5y ago
I was talking about who would pay to gather and curate the content. The larger the ring the more effort it would take, and someone has to run that service/pay something (whether it's money, time or effort) to keep such an effort going and worthwhile.

eyelidlessness 5y ago

Curated = the next round of “help I’m being censored”.html