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I concur and I’m very vocal about the vapor ware that Tesla spews from time to time. SpaceX has delivered and I watched in complete awe when two rockets touched

by wil421 5y ago

I concur and I’m very vocal about the vapor ware that Tesla spews from time to time. SpaceX has delivered and I watched in complete awe when two rockets touched down near simultaneously a year or so ago. I still think the whole passenger part of spacex might be a pipe dream but who knows.

Diederich 5y ago
> vapor ware that Tesla spews from time to time Elon Musk speaks quite aspirationally and optimistically from time to time, for both Tesla and SpaceX. > SpaceX has delivered They sure have! Tesla has also delivered over 1.7 million cars. They're on track to deliver about 750k cars in 2021 alone.
- macintux 5y ago
  I think people would give Tesla more credit for delivering if Musk weren't chronically making full self-driving promises that are never fulfilled.
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  - Diederich 5y ago
    This is very true. I wish he would tone all of that way way down.
cronix 5y ago
I just look at where Tesla started, and where it is today. How they revolutionized electric cars during a time when the ICE industry was against them in order to protect the status quo. I wonder how many companies would be "all in" on electric right now had Tesla not existed and forced them to. Would the Mustang "Mach E" exist? Would Ford be changing their most profitable and popular line, the F-150 Truck, if there wasn't a Tesla? Would Porsche be making electric cars if Tesla cars 1/3 the price weren't wiping the floor with them in track races, handily embarrassing them? They accomplished this even as the car industry was able to "swing" politicians to ban "Tesla dealerships" which is a huge impediment. Do you know of any Ford, Chevy, Toyota, Nissan, GMC, or Porsche "dealerships" that don't have physical storefronts? They persevered and basically got around that by building A+ products which sold themselves on reputation and performance alone. I guess you can concentrate on "vaporware" and ignore the actual industry shake-up that they forced upon the "establishment" (existing ICE companies) and have done more concretely than any other company I can think of in terms of taking an existing problem (car pollution) and turning it around.

by wil421 5y ago

Diederich 5y ago

> vapor ware that Tesla spews from time to time Elon Musk speaks quite aspirationally and optimistically from time to time, for both Tesla and SpaceX. > SpaceX has delivered They sure have! Tesla has also delivered over 1.7 million cars. They're on track to deliver about 750k cars in 2021 alone.

macintux 5y ago
I think people would give Tesla more credit for delivering if Musk weren't chronically making full self-driving promises that are never fulfilled.
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- Diederich 5y ago
  This is very true. I wish he would tone all of that way way down.

cronix 5y ago

I just look at where Tesla started, and where it is today. How they revolutionized electric cars during a time when the ICE industry was against them in order to protect the status quo. I wonder how many companies would be "all in" on electric right now had Tesla not existed and forced them to. Would the Mustang "Mach E" exist? Would Ford be changing their most profitable and popular line, the F-150 Truck, if there wasn't a Tesla? Would Porsche be making electric cars if Tesla cars 1/3 the price weren't wiping the floor with them in track races, handily embarrassing them? They accomplished this even as the car industry was able to "swing" politicians to ban "Tesla dealerships" which is a huge impediment. Do you know of any Ford, Chevy, Toyota, Nissan, GMC, or Porsche "dealerships" that don't have physical storefronts? They persevered and basically got around that by building A+ products which sold themselves on reputation and performance alone. I guess you can concentrate on "vaporware" and ignore the actual industry shake-up that they forced upon the "establishment" (existing ICE companies) and have done more concretely than any other company I can think of in terms of taking an existing problem (car pollution) and turning it around.