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> let's not forget Biden, Harris, Schumer, etc saying they wouldn't take the "Trump Vaccine." Could you point me in the direction of a source on this? I have d

> let's not forget Biden, Harris, Schumer, etc saying they wouldn't take the "Trump Vaccine." Could you point me in the direction of a source on this? I have done my own research and pulled up absolutely nothing. Actually that's inaccurate. I pulled up a BUNCH of 2020 articles where Biden talks about inadequate vaccination orders, etc. But I'd be interested in seeing the basis of your claims.

analogdreams 5y ago
you need to look no further than kamala's vp debate video.
ErikVandeWater 5y ago
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/23/tiktok-posts/biden-harris-doubted-trump-covid-19-vaccines-not-v/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/23/tiktok-pos... Harris: "If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it. Absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I’m not taking it." Kamala says she would not take a vaccine recommended by Trump, even if recommended by scientists. There is no way in the US for a vaccine to be publicly available without FDA approval so the only interpretation that makes sense is one where even if the FDA approved it, if Trump also approved it she would not take it. Biden: "Look at what’s happened. Enormous pressure put on the CDC not to put out the detailed guidelines. The enormous pressure being put on the FDA to say they’re going, that the following protocol will in fact reduce, it will have a giant impact on COVID. All these things turn out not to be true, and when a president continues to mislead and lie, when we finally do, God willing, get a vaccine, who’s going to take the shot? Who’s going to take the shot? You going to be the first one to say, ‘Put me — sign me up, they now say it’s OK’? I’m not being facetious." Biden says he does not trust the CDC and FDA (at the time) because of political influence.
- andybak 5y ago
  Hold on. That's much more nuanced than what was originally being implied. (not from the US btw...)
- borski 5y ago
  > Kamala says she would not take a vaccine recommended by Trump, even if recommended by scientists. This is not what she said. She specifically said that if public health professionals and Dr. Fauci recommended it, she would take it. The "if Donald Trump tells us" has an implied 'solely' and that is not hard to figure out given context, where in the same statement she says she'd take it if the public health professionals recommended it. > Biden says he does not trust the CDC and FDA (at the time) because of political influence. Not what he said. He was asking for more transparency, and suggesting that that needs to happen for public opinion to sway in the direction of getting the vaccines; in particular, during the Trump administration when the public was repeatedly fed lies about all sorts of things. Both are more nuanced than you are suggesting, imho.
  - ErikVandeWater 5y ago
    Again, how would Americans get their hands on a vaccine that Trump "solely" recommends? It isn't possible.
    - barbecue_sauce 5y ago
      Why does that matter?
      - ErikVandeWater 5y ago
        Is this sarcasm?
      - partiallypro 5y ago
        Because it shows that Kamala only said what she said to politicize the vaccine.
    - MereInterest 5y ago
      How did Nixon get Archibald Cox fired? He fired everyone in the line of succession for the Attorney General until he found someone who would do what he asked. It is not inconceivable that the same thing could have happened with the FDA. With the history that Trump had for firing people who did follow unreasonable orders (e.g. Rod Rosenstein), it becomes entirely plausible that he would fire any FDA head who did not support a vaccine, regardless of the science behind them. As things turned out, the studies did support the vaccine, but it was not unreasonable to draw a distinction between unbiased experts and experts under threat of firing.
Domenic_S 5y ago
[editing out because someone beat me to it!]

analogdreams 5y ago

you need to look no further than kamala's vp debate video.

ErikVandeWater 5y ago

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/23/tiktok-posts/biden-harris-doubted-trump-covid-19-vaccines-not-v/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/23/tiktok-pos... Harris: "If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it. Absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I’m not taking it." Kamala says she would not take a vaccine recommended by Trump, even if recommended by scientists. There is no way in the US for a vaccine to be publicly available without FDA approval so the only interpretation that makes sense is one where even if the FDA approved it, if Trump also approved it she would not take it. Biden: "Look at what’s happened. Enormous pressure put on the CDC not to put out the detailed guidelines. The enormous pressure being put on the FDA to say they’re going, that the following protocol will in fact reduce, it will have a giant impact on COVID. All these things turn out not to be true, and when a president continues to mislead and lie, when we finally do, God willing, get a vaccine, who’s going to take the shot? Who’s going to take the shot? You going to be the first one to say, ‘Put me — sign me up, they now say it’s OK’? I’m not being facetious." Biden says he does not trust the CDC and FDA (at the time) because of political influence.

andybak 5y ago
Hold on. That's much more nuanced than what was originally being implied. (not from the US btw...)
borski 5y ago
> Kamala says she would not take a vaccine recommended by Trump, even if recommended by scientists. This is not what she said. She specifically said that if public health professionals and Dr. Fauci recommended it, she would take it. The "if Donald Trump tells us" has an implied 'solely' and that is not hard to figure out given context, where in the same statement she says she'd take it if the public health professionals recommended it. > Biden says he does not trust the CDC and FDA (at the time) because of political influence. Not what he said. He was asking for more transparency, and suggesting that that needs to happen for public opinion to sway in the direction of getting the vaccines; in particular, during the Trump administration when the public was repeatedly fed lies about all sorts of things. Both are more nuanced than you are suggesting, imho.
- ErikVandeWater 5y ago
  Again, how would Americans get their hands on a vaccine that Trump "solely" recommends? It isn't possible.
  - barbecue_sauce 5y ago
    Why does that matter?
    - ErikVandeWater 5y ago
      Is this sarcasm?
    - partiallypro 5y ago
      Because it shows that Kamala only said what she said to politicize the vaccine.
  - MereInterest 5y ago
    How did Nixon get Archibald Cox fired? He fired everyone in the line of succession for the Attorney General until he found someone who would do what he asked. It is not inconceivable that the same thing could have happened with the FDA. With the history that Trump had for firing people who did follow unreasonable orders (e.g. Rod Rosenstein), it becomes entirely plausible that he would fire any FDA head who did not support a vaccine, regardless of the science behind them. As things turned out, the studies did support the vaccine, but it was not unreasonable to draw a distinction between unbiased experts and experts under threat of firing.

Domenic_S 5y ago

[editing out because someone beat me to it!]