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Conspiracy theories aside, there is something fishy about the Great Reset

26 points by hncurious 5y ago

mark_l_watson 5y ago
That was an interesting read. It made me think of the futures depicted in William Gibson's cyberpunk sci-fi novels, which I have long accepted as the probable future.
- ionwake 5y ago
  Wasn’t that a corporatocracy?
ergot_vacation 5y ago
Conspiracy theories, taken generally, seem to very clearly be an expression of the collective unconscious. Not in the full-on woo-woo way, just "collective unconscious" in the sense of a large population considering a problem or situation instinctively, rather than explicitly and rationally. As such, you usually don't want to take them at face value, but it's also a mistake to discard them completely. They often point to something very real that is going on under the surface. The hard part, like any expression of the subconscious, is trying to separate signal from noise, but there IS a signal there. If there wasn't, the "conspiracy theory" would never catch on. All that said: "The plan from which the Great Reset originated was called the Global Redesign Initiative. Drafted by the WEF after the 2008 economic crisis, the initiative contains a 600-page report on transforming global governance. In the WEF’s vision, 'the government voice would be one among many, without always being the final arbiter.'" I'd say the "Conspiracy Theorists" are pretty on the money here. It's literally an attempt to take power away from existing governments and deliver it to a cabal of multinational corporations, which is, in effect, the "One World Government" the Theorists love to crow about. And never forget, they've been trying to do this, in some form or another, since at least the 30s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
- alisonkisk 5y ago
  Surez, anything looks like anything if you use vague enough terms. But a public document proposing a collaboration between many sectors, is the opposite of a secret plan for a single unified government.
- tzs 5y ago
  > The hard part, like any expression of the subconscious, is trying to separate signal from noise, but there IS a signal there. If there wasn't, the "conspiracy theory" would never catch on. So what is the signal in such conspiracy theories as the Earth is flat and all the governments cooperate to suppress knowledge of this and to block people from going and seeing the ice walls that surround Earth; there are vast networks of tunnels under the US where millions of kidnapped children are tortured and raped before they are harvested alive for their adrenochrome which the communists and satanists the secretly rule the world ingest to stay healthy and live longer; or that most of the worlds leaders have been replaced by aliens (the ET kind); or that Biden, Harris, Pelosi, all of the Supreme Court justices, and many others have already been arrested for treason, tried in military tribunals, and executed, with animitronics/CGI/actors/whatever being put in their place to not tip off the other traitors until the military has dealt with them all, and then will reinstate Trump.
  - pompom3 5y ago
    > So what is the signal in such conspiracy theories... There is virtually no signal in those conspiracy theories because they are created by schizophrenics and other mentally ill people and then spread by the media who uses them to get clicks and make them look like a danger.
  - whythre 5y ago
    Your post is set up like a straw man, but let’s just take the ‘children are being sexually kidnapped/tortured’ pizza gate thing as an example. It’s absurd, but guys like Jeffrey Epstein exist. And I think we can all agree something very fishy was going on within the circles he operated in and how he died. Underage people are being exploited by some very high profile movers and shakers… but rather than anything substantive, we get this unconscious unfounded unease. Filtered through the cultural milieu, it manifests as unsophisticated paranoid fears tangentially related to sex abuse and the Clintons.
alisonkisk 5y ago
If big pharma isn't supposed to be involved in vaccine development and distribution, who should be?
- bpanon 5y ago
  It's astonishing to me that people give other people who do not have their interests at heart full reign over their mind, body, and spirit. Conflict of interest seems to have no merit or consideration in society today. How can you not see that these corporations are just extensions of the banking industry? America doesn't even control it's own money supply, yet you trust strangers who are extensions of them to inject your children with unknown substances and deliver you from poor health, when they profit from your being ill.
jameslk 5y ago
I recently went down the rabbit hole of learning about stakeholder theory vs shareholder theory (aka the Friedman Doctrine). Shareholder primacy has been the norm for corporations for decades since the 70s and 80s after Milton Friedman published his essay in favor of it, which is worth reading and understanding: https://www.nytimes.com/1970/09/13/archives/a-friedman-doctrine-the-social-responsibility-of-business-is-to.html https://www.nytimes.com/1970/09/13/archives/a-friedman-doctr... Essentially his argument boils down to this: stakeholders is a fuzzy undefined term, which allows the executives to use their imagination on who are the stakeholders and what do they really want since there's no voting process, unlike shareholder voting and concretely defined goals of maximizing value for shareholders. As a result, Friedman theorizes that executives essentially become central planners who allocate resources in a less optimal way than what free markets would be able to do. Thus it is argued that governments are better suited for this task rather than corporations.
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IAmEveryone 5y ago
Just to be clear, the article starts by bring intrigued by a story they themselves summarize as: “ The set of conspiracy theories around the Great Reset are nebulous and hard to pin down, but piecing them together gives us something like this: the Great Reset is the global elite’s plan to instate a communist world order by abolishing private property while using COVID-19 to solve overpopulation and enslaving what remains of humanity with vaccines.” …and while it continues with a completely unrelated and mildly less batshit-crazy idea of its own, it doesn’t get any more believable. It’s old method of taking quotes out of context, adding innuendo, and going for the bad-faith interpretation. What’s strangest about this is the unshakable belief that some evil conspiracy would publish reports on their meetings where they couldn’t avoid giving away the game plan in only mildly obfuscated language.
- TurkishPoptart 5y ago
  Might it be possible that the movers and shakers of the world (i.e. banks, WEF, intelligence agencies, powerful corporations) prefer to publicly reveal their plans, insofar that an "open secret" is less controversial than a secretive goal, that can be exposed. The Great Reset booklet is written in such anodyne and boring language, that it just seems like generic PR feel-good flavortext. I'm going to suggest that this might be intentional for a nebulous group of individuals trying to impact the world in a certain way.
hmsshagatsea 5y ago
The whole term “The Great Reset” just doesn’t sit well with me. Then again “New World Order” didn’t either.
- aught 5y ago
  Same here, any titles with the allusion to pseudoscientific and/or religious mysticism just make my stomach lurch.

26 points by hncurious 5y ago

That was an interesting read. It made me think of the futures depicted in William Gibson's cyberpunk sci-fi novels, which I have long accepted as the probable future.

ionwake 5y ago
Wasn’t that a corporatocracy?

ergot_vacation 5y ago

Conspiracy theories, taken generally, seem to very clearly be an expression of the collective unconscious. Not in the full-on woo-woo way, just "collective unconscious" in the sense of a large population considering a problem or situation instinctively, rather than explicitly and rationally. As such, you usually don't want to take them at face value, but it's also a mistake to discard them completely. They often point to something very real that is going on under the surface. The hard part, like any expression of the subconscious, is trying to separate signal from noise, but there IS a signal there. If there wasn't, the "conspiracy theory" would never catch on. All that said: "The plan from which the Great Reset originated was called the Global Redesign Initiative. Drafted by the WEF after the 2008 economic crisis, the initiative contains a 600-page report on transforming global governance. In the WEF’s vision, 'the government voice would be one among many, without always being the final arbiter.'" I'd say the "Conspiracy Theorists" are pretty on the money here. It's literally an attempt to take power away from existing governments and deliver it to a cabal of multinational corporations, which is, in effect, the "One World Government" the Theorists love to crow about. And never forget, they've been trying to do this, in some form or another, since at least the 30s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

alisonkisk 5y ago
Surez, anything looks like anything if you use vague enough terms. But a public document proposing a collaboration between many sectors, is the opposite of a secret plan for a single unified government.
tzs 5y ago
> The hard part, like any expression of the subconscious, is trying to separate signal from noise, but there IS a signal there. If there wasn't, the "conspiracy theory" would never catch on. So what is the signal in such conspiracy theories as the Earth is flat and all the governments cooperate to suppress knowledge of this and to block people from going and seeing the ice walls that surround Earth; there are vast networks of tunnels under the US where millions of kidnapped children are tortured and raped before they are harvested alive for their adrenochrome which the communists and satanists the secretly rule the world ingest to stay healthy and live longer; or that most of the worlds leaders have been replaced by aliens (the ET kind); or that Biden, Harris, Pelosi, all of the Supreme Court justices, and many others have already been arrested for treason, tried in military tribunals, and executed, with animitronics/CGI/actors/whatever being put in their place to not tip off the other traitors until the military has dealt with them all, and then will reinstate Trump.
- pompom3 5y ago
  > So what is the signal in such conspiracy theories... There is virtually no signal in those conspiracy theories because they are created by schizophrenics and other mentally ill people and then spread by the media who uses them to get clicks and make them look like a danger.
- whythre 5y ago
  Your post is set up like a straw man, but let’s just take the ‘children are being sexually kidnapped/tortured’ pizza gate thing as an example. It’s absurd, but guys like Jeffrey Epstein exist. And I think we can all agree something very fishy was going on within the circles he operated in and how he died. Underage people are being exploited by some very high profile movers and shakers… but rather than anything substantive, we get this unconscious unfounded unease. Filtered through the cultural milieu, it manifests as unsophisticated paranoid fears tangentially related to sex abuse and the Clintons.

alisonkisk 5y ago

If big pharma isn't supposed to be involved in vaccine development and distribution, who should be?

bpanon 5y ago
It's astonishing to me that people give other people who do not have their interests at heart full reign over their mind, body, and spirit. Conflict of interest seems to have no merit or consideration in society today. How can you not see that these corporations are just extensions of the banking industry? America doesn't even control it's own money supply, yet you trust strangers who are extensions of them to inject your children with unknown substances and deliver you from poor health, when they profit from your being ill.

jameslk 5y ago

I recently went down the rabbit hole of learning about stakeholder theory vs shareholder theory (aka the Friedman Doctrine). Shareholder primacy has been the norm for corporations for decades since the 70s and 80s after Milton Friedman published his essay in favor of it, which is worth reading and understanding: https://www.nytimes.com/1970/09/13/archives/a-friedman-doctrine-the-social-responsibility-of-business-is-to.html https://www.nytimes.com/1970/09/13/archives/a-friedman-doctr... Essentially his argument boils down to this: stakeholders is a fuzzy undefined term, which allows the executives to use their imagination on who are the stakeholders and what do they really want since there's no voting process, unlike shareholder voting and concretely defined goals of maximizing value for shareholders. As a result, Friedman theorizes that executives essentially become central planners who allocate resources in a less optimal way than what free markets would be able to do. Thus it is argued that governments are better suited for this task rather than corporations.

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IAmEveryone 5y ago

Just to be clear, the article starts by bring intrigued by a story they themselves summarize as: “ The set of conspiracy theories around the Great Reset are nebulous and hard to pin down, but piecing them together gives us something like this: the Great Reset is the global elite’s plan to instate a communist world order by abolishing private property while using COVID-19 to solve overpopulation and enslaving what remains of humanity with vaccines.” …and while it continues with a completely unrelated and mildly less batshit-crazy idea of its own, it doesn’t get any more believable. It’s old method of taking quotes out of context, adding innuendo, and going for the bad-faith interpretation. What’s strangest about this is the unshakable belief that some evil conspiracy would publish reports on their meetings where they couldn’t avoid giving away the game plan in only mildly obfuscated language.

TurkishPoptart 5y ago
Might it be possible that the movers and shakers of the world (i.e. banks, WEF, intelligence agencies, powerful corporations) prefer to publicly reveal their plans, insofar that an "open secret" is less controversial than a secretive goal, that can be exposed. The Great Reset booklet is written in such anodyne and boring language, that it just seems like generic PR feel-good flavortext. I'm going to suggest that this might be intentional for a nebulous group of individuals trying to impact the world in a certain way.

hmsshagatsea 5y ago

The whole term “The Great Reset” just doesn’t sit well with me. Then again “New World Order” didn’t either.

aught 5y ago
Same here, any titles with the allusion to pseudoscientific and/or religious mysticism just make my stomach lurch.