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Yes, calling people nuts is a sure fire way to solve this problem. The “nuts” were also saying covid was coming and was dangerous and were called crazy xenopho

by gfodor 5y ago

Yes, calling people nuts is a sure fire way to solve this problem. The “nuts” were also saying covid was coming and was dangerous and were called crazy xenophobes. I’m vehemently pro-vax but there are as many idiots on both sides of this issue as there are non-idiots. Note that I need to disclose that, since the scarlet letter being handed out now has the power to prevent you from being on YouTube and in some places soon will probably bar you from your local grocery store (now that that is normalized.)

johnnyanmac 5y ago
>calling people nuts is a sure fire way to solve this problem I tried to emphasize that this is a very small slice of the population. They get kicked out of the village because there's no other way to solve the problem. Or at the very least, the village lacks the resources and talent to solve it. Human psychology is still a huge mystery. Ideally, everyone gets free, assessible mental health care, but ideally people would also wear a mask so they don't die/have others die. We're far from Paradise. >I’m vehemently pro-vax but there are as many idiots on both sides of this issue as there are non-idiots. I fully agree with this, and I much too often see people trying to cast this as a "all conservatives are antivaxx" issue, which is such a broad stroke that you may as well just say "anyone who doesn't agree with all my world views". That is not who I mean when I say "nuts". Not the people genuinely misinformed (often by nuts), not the people who may have reasonable hesitations or doubts about certification of a new medical product. And certainly not "people who aren't my political party" (yes, everything is Red's fault. How productive). To be honest, not even the people high up who KNOW they are spouting BS or citizens who know the dangers but "want freedom" (they aren't crazy, that's just malicious and greedy at that point. different topic altogether). But there are just some few people who genuinely seem unhinged and just want to latch onto something that feels relatable, even at the own health's expense. Those are the nuts gathering together. And this is far from the first time. Just the most potentially impactful.
- nintendo1889 5y ago
  Us "nuts" are merely the most well-read, intellectual individuals in society: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.upmc.com/media/news/072621-king-mejia-vaccine-hesitancy&ved=2ahUKEwipj7ba6M7yAhUGl2oFHVr9AvMQFnoECEAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw37p_QKf7bKVc8IFZqJpkU8 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https:/... https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://unherd.com/thepost/the-most-vaccine-hesitant-education-group-of-all-phds/&ved=2ahUKEwipj7ba6M7yAhUGl2oFHVr9AvMQFnoECAMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3OncuPqg_3kOUt4Sy6lQSZ https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https:/...
vlunkr 5y ago
I don't disagree about name-calling, but the responsible thing to do is to adapt your opinions as new knowledge is revealed, not everyone is doing that.
- mewpmewp2 5y ago
  You can never convince someone by calling them stupid, selfish, irresponsible or in general blaming them. All you will do is create hatred toward yourself as well as your viewpoint and further the disagreement. Best way to convince someone is to make them think it was their idea all along. At this point, I figure much of the anti vax crowd may be actively hoping something would go wrong here, due to the hate they are receiving. Why does anti vax crowd look at things like Ivermectin etc which hasn't been tested at all compared to vaccines and could potentially have more unknown risks? Because it wasn't shoved down their throat and they were able to find it by themselves. Even those who are in the middle, vaccine hesitant for example may be feeling the hate that is coming towards them, making them avoid vaccines altogether out of anger towards the other vaccinated side.
  - spaced-out 5y ago
    > You can never convince someone by calling them stupid, selfish, irresponsible or in general blaming them. All you will do is create hatred toward yourself as well as your viewpoint and further the disagreement. Who's calling them stupid? I don't recall any politicians or government health officials calling anyone stupid. Sure, there are people on Facebook/Twitter/etc... name-calling, but that's always been the case, and there's plenty of it on both sides.
    - gfodor 5y ago
      If someone is telling you to do something, but demonstrates clearly they are not able to repeat your own argument back to you convincingly, they're calling you stupid, because they've demonstrated they don't think you have an argument.
Tobani 5y ago
> The “nuts” were also saying covid was coming and was dangerous and were called crazy xenophobes. I only ever saw people saying that calling it things like "Wuhan Flu" was xenophobic.
- nintendo1889 5y ago
  Lol. I didn't realize there was a race of people known as wuhanis.
- Steltek 5y ago
  Earlier than that, it was about only closing travel to China but not Europe, which was having a completely uncontrolled outbreak.

by gfodor 5y ago

johnnyanmac 5y ago

>calling people nuts is a sure fire way to solve this problem I tried to emphasize that this is a very small slice of the population. They get kicked out of the village because there's no other way to solve the problem. Or at the very least, the village lacks the resources and talent to solve it. Human psychology is still a huge mystery. Ideally, everyone gets free, assessible mental health care, but ideally people would also wear a mask so they don't die/have others die. We're far from Paradise. >I’m vehemently pro-vax but there are as many idiots on both sides of this issue as there are non-idiots. I fully agree with this, and I much too often see people trying to cast this as a "all conservatives are antivaxx" issue, which is such a broad stroke that you may as well just say "anyone who doesn't agree with all my world views". That is not who I mean when I say "nuts". Not the people genuinely misinformed (often by nuts), not the people who may have reasonable hesitations or doubts about certification of a new medical product. And certainly not "people who aren't my political party" (yes, everything is Red's fault. How productive). To be honest, not even the people high up who KNOW they are spouting BS or citizens who know the dangers but "want freedom" (they aren't crazy, that's just malicious and greedy at that point. different topic altogether). But there are just some few people who genuinely seem unhinged and just want to latch onto something that feels relatable, even at the own health's expense. Those are the nuts gathering together. And this is far from the first time. Just the most potentially impactful.

nintendo1889 5y ago
Us "nuts" are merely the most well-read, intellectual individuals in society: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.upmc.com/media/news/072621-king-mejia-vaccine-hesitancy&ved=2ahUKEwipj7ba6M7yAhUGl2oFHVr9AvMQFnoECEAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw37p_QKf7bKVc8IFZqJpkU8 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https:/... https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://unherd.com/thepost/the-most-vaccine-hesitant-education-group-of-all-phds/&ved=2ahUKEwipj7ba6M7yAhUGl2oFHVr9AvMQFnoECAMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3OncuPqg_3kOUt4Sy6lQSZ https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https:/...

vlunkr 5y ago

I don't disagree about name-calling, but the responsible thing to do is to adapt your opinions as new knowledge is revealed, not everyone is doing that.

mewpmewp2 5y ago
You can never convince someone by calling them stupid, selfish, irresponsible or in general blaming them. All you will do is create hatred toward yourself as well as your viewpoint and further the disagreement. Best way to convince someone is to make them think it was their idea all along. At this point, I figure much of the anti vax crowd may be actively hoping something would go wrong here, due to the hate they are receiving. Why does anti vax crowd look at things like Ivermectin etc which hasn't been tested at all compared to vaccines and could potentially have more unknown risks? Because it wasn't shoved down their throat and they were able to find it by themselves. Even those who are in the middle, vaccine hesitant for example may be feeling the hate that is coming towards them, making them avoid vaccines altogether out of anger towards the other vaccinated side.
- spaced-out 5y ago
  > You can never convince someone by calling them stupid, selfish, irresponsible or in general blaming them. All you will do is create hatred toward yourself as well as your viewpoint and further the disagreement. Who's calling them stupid? I don't recall any politicians or government health officials calling anyone stupid. Sure, there are people on Facebook/Twitter/etc... name-calling, but that's always been the case, and there's plenty of it on both sides.
  - gfodor 5y ago
    If someone is telling you to do something, but demonstrates clearly they are not able to repeat your own argument back to you convincingly, they're calling you stupid, because they've demonstrated they don't think you have an argument.

Tobani 5y ago

> The “nuts” were also saying covid was coming and was dangerous and were called crazy xenophobes. I only ever saw people saying that calling it things like "Wuhan Flu" was xenophobic.

nintendo1889 5y ago
Lol. I didn't realize there was a race of people known as wuhanis.
Steltek 5y ago
Earlier than that, it was about only closing travel to China but not Europe, which was having a completely uncontrolled outbreak.