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Honestly, all of your stuff sounds like rationalization. Rationalizing putting masks on kids despite there being little evidence they work, are something societ

Honestly, all of your stuff sounds like rationalization. Rationalizing putting masks on kids despite there being little evidence they work, are something society wants, and won't have any negative impact on kids. Don't forget, kids have agency. Has anybody asked them what they want? And it isn't my job to provide proof or data. I'm the critic. I'm the one that wants things to operate as normal. All the burden of proof is upon those who wish to force my child to wear a mask her entire school day 5 days a week. Thus far, all I hear is "OMG CASES", "kids are resilient", and a bunch of weak rationalizations. Nobody has made a case who or what we are protecting. Nobody has provided an end game. Nobody has proven it won't harm kids. Nobody has even asked kids. It's disgusting, really.

jackson1442 5y ago
Aren't we protecting our health systems? Mississippi is out of ICU beds[0]. As in, if you are in critical condition for ANY REASON, you're just out of luck. Kids are gross. They're going to spread disease. Why not take a (relatively simple) precaution that can save lives, including people who didn't even catch COVID. It's like how I look both ways before turning onto or crossing a one-way. Sure, it probably doesn't help much, but there's a chance that it could save my life and another driver's. [0]: https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/14,21994,420,873.html https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/14,21994,420,873.html
- spookthesunset 5y ago
  From everything I've read Mississippi is out of ICU beds because they test everybody for covid and if you are covid positive, regardless of symptoms, you get the "covid protocol" treatment. Said protocol adds significant overhead to everything. Perhaps they should revisit testing every individual for covid or maybe stop freaking out over every positive case. Also, they had 1.6 years to build infrastructure to deal with this. That was the entire damn point of this in the first place. "Flatten the curve for two weeks to make sure healthcare systems can handle the load" There is literally zero excuse for society to suffer because no capacity was added. Zero. You cannot even blame staffing shortages... they could have thrown truckloads of money at doctors and nurses to get them onboard. It would have still been cheaper and more effective than the nonsense we are doing now. In short, yeah it sucks hospitals might be "full" but that ain't societies fault and we shouldn't be punished for it.
  - pettusftw 5y ago
    Judging by your stance across this thread I doubt it will matter, but I'll share it anyway for the readers. Take it for whatever you think it's worth. My anecdotal experience via my SO who is an ICU nurse is that what you've read is not accurate. In the ICU I'm familiar with they do not have fewer beds available due to the covid protocols. The protocols do make their job more difficult and time consuming, but they have more beds than ever. Still, they're at capacity across our state due to an extreme influx of severe covid cases since delta made its way here over the past 6 weeks. Previous to that this particular ICU was ~20% covid, 60% capacity. Now it is ~90% covid, 110% capacity. This is not just because they tested positive - these are people on various levels of oxygen. They are intubating covid patients in the ER because there's no room anywhere else. I'm in arguably the reddest state in the US where most people share your views. I'm not sure how you can say apathy toward spreading a contagious virus is not societies "fault". PS: they are throwing truckloads of money at doctors and nurses, luckily for us.
    - spookthesunset 5y ago
      > I'm not sure how you can say apathy toward spreading a contagious virus is not societies "fault". Moralizing spreading an airborne highly contagious respiratory virus is one of the most toxic, dangerous things we’ve done. It’s absurd. It’s a virus. It does what it does. People catch it. It’s nobody’s fault. The people living in your red state are perfectly fine holding their beliefs.
      - pettusftw 5y ago
        Opposing governmental mandates is one thing, but eschewing personal responsibility is supposed to be the antithesis of these folks worldview. It's a bit baffling, though sadly not surprising. And to be clear, the majority of the conservatives I know personally are vaccinated and wear masks, by virtue of their belief in personal responsibility.

jackson1442 5y ago

Aren't we protecting our health systems? Mississippi is out of ICU beds[0]. As in, if you are in critical condition for ANY REASON, you're just out of luck. Kids are gross. They're going to spread disease. Why not take a (relatively simple) precaution that can save lives, including people who didn't even catch COVID. It's like how I look both ways before turning onto or crossing a one-way. Sure, it probably doesn't help much, but there's a chance that it could save my life and another driver's. [0]: https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/14,21994,420,873.html https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/14,21994,420,873.html

spookthesunset 5y ago
From everything I've read Mississippi is out of ICU beds because they test everybody for covid and if you are covid positive, regardless of symptoms, you get the "covid protocol" treatment. Said protocol adds significant overhead to everything. Perhaps they should revisit testing every individual for covid or maybe stop freaking out over every positive case. Also, they had 1.6 years to build infrastructure to deal with this. That was the entire damn point of this in the first place. "Flatten the curve for two weeks to make sure healthcare systems can handle the load" There is literally zero excuse for society to suffer because no capacity was added. Zero. You cannot even blame staffing shortages... they could have thrown truckloads of money at doctors and nurses to get them onboard. It would have still been cheaper and more effective than the nonsense we are doing now. In short, yeah it sucks hospitals might be "full" but that ain't societies fault and we shouldn't be punished for it.
- pettusftw 5y ago
  Judging by your stance across this thread I doubt it will matter, but I'll share it anyway for the readers. Take it for whatever you think it's worth. My anecdotal experience via my SO who is an ICU nurse is that what you've read is not accurate. In the ICU I'm familiar with they do not have fewer beds available due to the covid protocols. The protocols do make their job more difficult and time consuming, but they have more beds than ever. Still, they're at capacity across our state due to an extreme influx of severe covid cases since delta made its way here over the past 6 weeks. Previous to that this particular ICU was ~20% covid, 60% capacity. Now it is ~90% covid, 110% capacity. This is not just because they tested positive - these are people on various levels of oxygen. They are intubating covid patients in the ER because there's no room anywhere else. I'm in arguably the reddest state in the US where most people share your views. I'm not sure how you can say apathy toward spreading a contagious virus is not societies "fault". PS: they are throwing truckloads of money at doctors and nurses, luckily for us.
  - spookthesunset 5y ago
    > I'm not sure how you can say apathy toward spreading a contagious virus is not societies "fault". Moralizing spreading an airborne highly contagious respiratory virus is one of the most toxic, dangerous things we’ve done. It’s absurd. It’s a virus. It does what it does. People catch it. It’s nobody’s fault. The people living in your red state are perfectly fine holding their beliefs.
    - pettusftw 5y ago
      Opposing governmental mandates is one thing, but eschewing personal responsibility is supposed to be the antithesis of these folks worldview. It's a bit baffling, though sadly not surprising. And to be clear, the majority of the conservatives I know personally are vaccinated and wear masks, by virtue of their belief in personal responsibility.