4 ms·

> Turning vaccines into a political wedge issue is one of the stupidest things I've seen in my life. This is just history repeating itself, unfortunately. The

> Turning vaccines into a political wedge issue is one of the stupidest things I've seen in my life. This is just history repeating itself, unfortunately. The Spanish flu had people protesting the counter-measures put in place to reduce transmission, as well.

Dwelve 5y ago
How is this "history repeating itself"? A few people objected during the Spanish flu so if we have even a single person that objects nowadays it's "history repeating itself"? What if we discriminate against a minority based on their belief (e.g. refusing a medical intervention) and don't allow them to live a normal life. Is that also history repeating itself? I can think of a few instances in history where groups were prosecuted for their convictions. Are we currently repeating that part of history?
craftinator 5y ago
It just boggles my mind that with modern understanding of how these things work (and we have a MUCH more complete understanding than they had during the early 1900's), we repeat this ignorant mistake.
- Clubber 5y ago
  "Masks aren't effective" "Masks are effective" "Vaccinated don't have to wear masks" "Vaccinated should wear masks" "COVID is not airborne" "COVID is airborne" "COVID came from a wet market" "COVID came from a lab" "If you caught it, you have immunity" "If you caught it, you might not have immunity" It's not difficult to understand why there is so much confusion. Our government was and has been quite inept at its messaging in both Trump's and Biden's administrations. The sad thing is many people still hold up the government / bureaucrats / politicians as omnipotent. It's called the novel corona virus because it's new. What we think today may not be true next month or next year. I think one of the big problems of course is the government / bureaucrats / politicians are afraid to be straight with us. They think we'll freak out set everything on fire or something at the first hint of bad news. I feel their elusiveness is much, much worse; now trust is pretty low which makes the already ineffective government / bureaucrats / politicians' messaging even more ineffective. The government / bureaucrats / politicians found a hole and made it much bigger.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
  - spookthesunset 5y ago
    Honestly at this point in the game I have no clue what is factual and isn't. I don't know who the hell to trust anymore. > The sad thing is many people still hold up the government / bureaucrats / politicians as omnipotent And so-called "experts"... by which I mean only the ones that say this is the worst thing ever. Any expert in the field with any objections or criticisms to what we've done immediately gets the online equivalent of being letter bombed. The public health messaging for this whole thing has been absolutely horrific and has only been getting worse. They've managed to cast so much fear, uncertainty and doubt on what are in fact remarkable vaccines... I don't know how they will ever repair their trust or credibility.
  - ragingrobot 5y ago
    > They think we'll freak out set everything on fire or something at the first hint of bad news. Could it be that they've used this tactic so often just to get this effect when they so desire it, that now they fear that it will be our only reaction?
  - Tobani 5y ago
    Almost all of the statements were true. They just needed more context with them. > "Masks aren't effective" The point of the (non n-95) masks is not to protect the wearer. They didn't want everybody to cause a run on the n-95 masks for healthcare workers. The cloth masks may not very effective at protecting the wearer. > "Masks are effective" Masks are very effective when the infected wear them. Everybody should wear them because they don't know if they're infected or not. > "Vaccinated don't have to wear masks" Currently we don't believe vaccinated people. If you get vaccine you don't have to wear a mask. > "Vaccinated should wear masks" Unvaccinated people were the first to go everywhere with out masks. That carrot didn't work.. Everybody put them back on. > "COVID is not airborne" This could be true! > "COVID is airborne" But it catches a ride on water droplets! > "COVID came from a wet market" I haven't seen this as part of government messaging > "COVID came from a lab" I haven't seen this as part of government messaging > "If you caught it, you have immunity" For some amount of time, yes > "If you caught it, you might not have immunity" Yep we've got new variants that yo _might_ not be immune to.

Dwelve 5y ago

How is this "history repeating itself"? A few people objected during the Spanish flu so if we have even a single person that objects nowadays it's "history repeating itself"? What if we discriminate against a minority based on their belief (e.g. refusing a medical intervention) and don't allow them to live a normal life. Is that also history repeating itself? I can think of a few instances in history where groups were prosecuted for their convictions. Are we currently repeating that part of history?

craftinator 5y ago

It just boggles my mind that with modern understanding of how these things work (and we have a MUCH more complete understanding than they had during the early 1900's), we repeat this ignorant mistake.

Clubber 5y ago
"Masks aren't effective" "Masks are effective" "Vaccinated don't have to wear masks" "Vaccinated should wear masks" "COVID is not airborne" "COVID is airborne" "COVID came from a wet market" "COVID came from a lab" "If you caught it, you have immunity" "If you caught it, you might not have immunity" It's not difficult to understand why there is so much confusion. Our government was and has been quite inept at its messaging in both Trump's and Biden's administrations. The sad thing is many people still hold up the government / bureaucrats / politicians as omnipotent. It's called the novel corona virus because it's new. What we think today may not be true next month or next year. I think one of the big problems of course is the government / bureaucrats / politicians are afraid to be straight with us. They think we'll freak out set everything on fire or something at the first hint of bad news. I feel their elusiveness is much, much worse; now trust is pretty low which makes the already ineffective government / bureaucrats / politicians' messaging even more ineffective. The government / bureaucrats / politicians found a hole and made it much bigger.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- spookthesunset 5y ago
  Honestly at this point in the game I have no clue what is factual and isn't. I don't know who the hell to trust anymore. > The sad thing is many people still hold up the government / bureaucrats / politicians as omnipotent And so-called "experts"... by which I mean only the ones that say this is the worst thing ever. Any expert in the field with any objections or criticisms to what we've done immediately gets the online equivalent of being letter bombed. The public health messaging for this whole thing has been absolutely horrific and has only been getting worse. They've managed to cast so much fear, uncertainty and doubt on what are in fact remarkable vaccines... I don't know how they will ever repair their trust or credibility.
- ragingrobot 5y ago
  > They think we'll freak out set everything on fire or something at the first hint of bad news. Could it be that they've used this tactic so often just to get this effect when they so desire it, that now they fear that it will be our only reaction?
- Tobani 5y ago
  Almost all of the statements were true. They just needed more context with them. > "Masks aren't effective" The point of the (non n-95) masks is not to protect the wearer. They didn't want everybody to cause a run on the n-95 masks for healthcare workers. The cloth masks may not very effective at protecting the wearer. > "Masks are effective" Masks are very effective when the infected wear them. Everybody should wear them because they don't know if they're infected or not. > "Vaccinated don't have to wear masks" Currently we don't believe vaccinated people. If you get vaccine you don't have to wear a mask. > "Vaccinated should wear masks" Unvaccinated people were the first to go everywhere with out masks. That carrot didn't work.. Everybody put them back on. > "COVID is not airborne" This could be true! > "COVID is airborne" But it catches a ride on water droplets! > "COVID came from a wet market" I haven't seen this as part of government messaging > "COVID came from a lab" I haven't seen this as part of government messaging > "If you caught it, you have immunity" For some amount of time, yes > "If you caught it, you might not have immunity" Yep we've got new variants that yo _might_ not be immune to.