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A quick search shows ~20% of immigrants being deported testing positive (up to 25%). There are something like 200K immigrants currently encountered by border p

A quick search shows ~20% of immigrants being deported testing positive (up to 25%). There are something like 200K immigrants currently encountered by border patrol per month. Naively that's 50K people coming to the US each month with covid who are poor (probably can't self quarantine), live in dense, multi generational households and exist outside of the law. Realistically, we'd expect that ICE (deportation) contributes to the spread. At any rate, I don't see how illegal immigration could be qualified other than a significant vector in the spread of covid.

mike00632 5y ago
Shouldn't you think about a control group? Legal immigrants? Law enforcement gatherings? Prisoners? Local area positivity rate?
- kansface 5y ago
  Maybe if their rate of infection were significantly lower than the local population, you could argue that we would be decreasing the percentage of the infected population which doesn't feel particularly compelling to me... but we'd really need to know how much each group contributes to the spread. My expectations is that illegal immigrants make larger contributions than average given their density in living arrangements, lack of access to health care, inability to take sick days, etc. I think we are only in the business of arguing the counterfactual of what percentage of them get covid from interactions with law enforcement vs otherwise.
dunco 5y ago
kind of like saying a river is making the ocean wet. . .
pvaldes 5y ago
Facts don't support this hypothesis. We couldn't find a lot of places more far away from Mexico frontier in the entire US that NY. It was the first place seriously hit. It was hit for months while the Mexican border was showing... nothing. Do you have a logical explanation for that? People being detained for months in really crowded places, as can be seen in all videos taken... they had covid when were deported? Well.. This is hardly a surprise to me.
- kansface 5y ago
  > Do you have a logical explanation for that? We are talking about one vector over the last few months. The state of NY over a year ago is a non sequitur. Illegal immigration has probably increased close to 3x since then. Besides which, my understanding of the high mortality in NY is that it was mainly due to Cuomo emptying out hospitals of covid patients and sending them to nursing homes.

mike00632 5y ago

Shouldn't you think about a control group? Legal immigrants? Law enforcement gatherings? Prisoners? Local area positivity rate?

kansface 5y ago
Maybe if their rate of infection were significantly lower than the local population, you could argue that we would be decreasing the percentage of the infected population which doesn't feel particularly compelling to me... but we'd really need to know how much each group contributes to the spread. My expectations is that illegal immigrants make larger contributions than average given their density in living arrangements, lack of access to health care, inability to take sick days, etc. I think we are only in the business of arguing the counterfactual of what percentage of them get covid from interactions with law enforcement vs otherwise.

dunco 5y ago

kind of like saying a river is making the ocean wet. . .

pvaldes 5y ago

Facts don't support this hypothesis. We couldn't find a lot of places more far away from Mexico frontier in the entire US that NY. It was the first place seriously hit. It was hit for months while the Mexican border was showing... nothing. Do you have a logical explanation for that? People being detained for months in really crowded places, as can be seen in all videos taken... they had covid when were deported? Well.. This is hardly a surprise to me.

kansface 5y ago
> Do you have a logical explanation for that? We are talking about one vector over the last few months. The state of NY over a year ago is a non sequitur. Illegal immigration has probably increased close to 3x since then. Besides which, my understanding of the high mortality in NY is that it was mainly due to Cuomo emptying out hospitals of covid patients and sending them to nursing homes.