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Apple employees are organizing, now under the banner AppleToo

61 points by keleftheriou 5y ago

cblconfederate 5y ago
Isn't that trademark infingement?
- dannyobrien 5y ago
  There is fair use in trademarks in most countries: https://www.inta.org/fact-sheets/fair-use-of-trademarks-intended-for-a-non-legal-audience/ https://www.inta.org/fact-sheets/fair-use-of-trademarks-inte...
- FooBarBizBazz 5y ago
  Which half?
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slownews45 5y ago
Very interesting. I do wish headlines would be more specific. 15 apple employees and contractors organization under AppleToo banner? might be a better headline?
- Rebelgecko 5y ago
  The '15 people' also includes former employees
elzbardico 5y ago
15 current and former employees and of course a friendly journalist at some major media vehicle who decided to promote this non-story as something way bigger than what it probably is. Really, it is becoming tiresome. We are becoming aware of how those tricks work, they should at least put some effort on their astroturfing
chmaynard 5y ago
The question left unanswered: what are their objectives and what do they need to achieve them? Employee unions are a means to an end, not an end in themselves. Apple employees are paid well and their benefits and working conditions are decent. In my view, the problem is the increasingly authoritarian management regime that governs where and how they work. A traditional union won't help address that problem.
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- vineyardmike 5y ago
  It doesn't seem to be a union. I think the term "organizing" is more of a general sense - employees are organizing to speak up collectively against the employer's behavior. > Apple employee organizing took another step this morning with the launch of a website called AppleToo. The goal is to collect stories from workers at all levels of the organization who’ve experienced harassment or discrimination. https://appletoo.us https://appletoo.us They seem to have the goal of collective bargaining for change, but it doesn't seem to be "unionizing"
  - Doxin 5y ago
    > employees are organizing to speak up collectively against the employer's behavior. Isn't that exactly what a union is? duckduckgo defines an union as "A combination so formed, especially an alliance or confederation of people, parties, or political entities for mutual interest or benefit." which seems to match what's going on here.
- microtherion 5y ago
  I don't know about "increasingly". Apple has always been a fairly authoritarian place to work at, especially in regulating outside activities. Some aspects, like conference publications, have become decidedly LESS authoritarian in recent years. And you would not believe how many rules went into the "casual" dress code for WWDC presenters in the Steve Jobs years… Many of the problems of the working conditions (and I agree that overall, Apple is a very nice place to work), would, in my opinion, be quite well suited to traditional union representation.

61 points by keleftheriou 5y ago

cblconfederate 5y ago

Isn't that trademark infingement?

dannyobrien 5y ago
There is fair use in trademarks in most countries: https://www.inta.org/fact-sheets/fair-use-of-trademarks-intended-for-a-non-legal-audience/ https://www.inta.org/fact-sheets/fair-use-of-trademarks-inte...
FooBarBizBazz 5y ago
Which half?

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slownews45 5y ago

Very interesting. I do wish headlines would be more specific. 15 apple employees and contractors organization under AppleToo banner? might be a better headline?

Rebelgecko 5y ago
The '15 people' also includes former employees

elzbardico 5y ago

15 current and former employees and of course a friendly journalist at some major media vehicle who decided to promote this non-story as something way bigger than what it probably is. Really, it is becoming tiresome. We are becoming aware of how those tricks work, they should at least put some effort on their astroturfing

chmaynard 5y ago

The question left unanswered: what are their objectives and what do they need to achieve them? Employee unions are a means to an end, not an end in themselves. Apple employees are paid well and their benefits and working conditions are decent. In my view, the problem is the increasingly authoritarian management regime that governs where and how they work. A traditional union won't help address that problem.

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vineyardmike 5y ago
It doesn't seem to be a union. I think the term "organizing" is more of a general sense - employees are organizing to speak up collectively against the employer's behavior. > Apple employee organizing took another step this morning with the launch of a website called AppleToo. The goal is to collect stories from workers at all levels of the organization who’ve experienced harassment or discrimination. https://appletoo.us https://appletoo.us They seem to have the goal of collective bargaining for change, but it doesn't seem to be "unionizing"
- Doxin 5y ago
  > employees are organizing to speak up collectively against the employer's behavior. Isn't that exactly what a union is? duckduckgo defines an union as "A combination so formed, especially an alliance or confederation of people, parties, or political entities for mutual interest or benefit." which seems to match what's going on here.
microtherion 5y ago
I don't know about "increasingly". Apple has always been a fairly authoritarian place to work at, especially in regulating outside activities. Some aspects, like conference publications, have become decidedly LESS authoritarian in recent years. And you would not believe how many rules went into the "casual" dress code for WWDC presenters in the Steve Jobs years… Many of the problems of the working conditions (and I agree that overall, Apple is a very nice place to work), would, in my opinion, be quite well suited to traditional union representation.