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Our pediatrician's husband died unexpectedly in Nov. 2019 of an unknown disease with sudden, flu-like symptoms. This was in Chicago. I have no more information

Our pediatrician's husband died unexpectedly in Nov. 2019 of an unknown disease with sudden, flu-like symptoms. This was in Chicago. I have no more information as to whether he traveled or anything else.

mdp2021 5y ago
I just looked again at the papers about Pfizer trials, and the severe adverse events after the vaccine were 0.6%. Many would surely call that number non-negligible. Unfortunately for the desire for clarity, the severe adverse events after the placebo were a too close 0.5%. Yesterday during a normal call with a friend, he mentioned that one acquaintance of his got leukaemia, four weeks after vaccine injection. That leukaemia is real, the relation with the vaccine doubtful. This whole sars-cov-2 infestation came during a loud noise of other adverse events, many unrelated... The normal loud noise of adverse events. One may suspect, but cannot point to virus or vaccine for anything that happens.
- poopypoopington 5y ago
  The COVID vaccines are incredibly safe and effective, no matter what misinformation you are trying to spread. Stop trying to kill people!
  - URSpider94 5y ago
    They aren’t spreading misinformation at all. They are merely pointing out that the placebo injection used in the study has almost exactly the same serious adverse event rate as the vaccine itself. People yearn to attribute every event to a cause, but most of them are just random. Everyone has a “I got sick in October 2019 and I just know it was COVID” story.
  - mdp2021 5y ago
    Other parts (thank you) have already notified this poster about the evident interpretation of the original post (which I ended with «One [...] cannot point to virus or vaccine for anything that happens», thinking it should make it very clear). I just need to note that these kind of dismissive positions - "all is well, nothing to see here, go back to your business, everything is simple" - are exactly one of the suspicion raising attitudes, causing hesitance and, in the patterns of some mindsets, «kill[ing] people». In the context of information sharing and discussion (here) dealing with complexity is part of the game, but the real issue is in the "public" context of government and journalism: I am frequently reading, even minutes ago, mutilations of complexity and bad arguments (e.g., the strawman: group A is insane so group B is wrong) - all of this stiffens the hesitant position.

mdp2021 5y ago

I just looked again at the papers about Pfizer trials, and the severe adverse events after the vaccine were 0.6%. Many would surely call that number non-negligible. Unfortunately for the desire for clarity, the severe adverse events after the placebo were a too close 0.5%. Yesterday during a normal call with a friend, he mentioned that one acquaintance of his got leukaemia, four weeks after vaccine injection. That leukaemia is real, the relation with the vaccine doubtful. This whole sars-cov-2 infestation came during a loud noise of other adverse events, many unrelated... The normal loud noise of adverse events. One may suspect, but cannot point to virus or vaccine for anything that happens.

poopypoopington 5y ago
The COVID vaccines are incredibly safe and effective, no matter what misinformation you are trying to spread. Stop trying to kill people!
- URSpider94 5y ago
  They aren’t spreading misinformation at all. They are merely pointing out that the placebo injection used in the study has almost exactly the same serious adverse event rate as the vaccine itself. People yearn to attribute every event to a cause, but most of them are just random. Everyone has a “I got sick in October 2019 and I just know it was COVID” story.
- mdp2021 5y ago
  Other parts (thank you) have already notified this poster about the evident interpretation of the original post (which I ended with «One [...] cannot point to virus or vaccine for anything that happens», thinking it should make it very clear). I just need to note that these kind of dismissive positions - "all is well, nothing to see here, go back to your business, everything is simple" - are exactly one of the suspicion raising attitudes, causing hesitance and, in the patterns of some mindsets, «kill[ing] people». In the context of information sharing and discussion (here) dealing with complexity is part of the game, but the real issue is in the "public" context of government and journalism: I am frequently reading, even minutes ago, mutilations of complexity and bad arguments (e.g., the strawman: group A is insane so group B is wrong) - all of this stiffens the hesitant position.