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Right, well, that's very interesting but is entirely made up. The primary factor of the military is the high-risk and discouragement of dropping out and getting

Right, well, that's very interesting but is entirely made up. The primary factor of the military is the high-risk and discouragement of dropping out and getting discharged. It's not like a job, where if it sucks enough you can just leave and find a new one. Your comment seems to be a long-winded version of "Why don't we all just work together and get along?" It's impossibly naive to believe such a mindset possible in capital-oriented businesses.

jl2718 5y ago
> It's impossibly naive to believe such a mindset possible in capital-oriented businesses. That is the perspective I was inviting to the table by writing this; just that it is a very different situation. I have no validated perspective on whether you are right or not, although I do have one experience failing to disprove the above.
gumby 5y ago
> ...the military is ... not like a job, where if it sucks enough you can just leave and find a new one. For a lot of people it is (once you reach the end of your required period). And if you don't want to advance you can simply bump along -- up-or-out only applies to commissioned officers.
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dragonwriter 5y ago
> It's not like a job, where if it sucks enough you can just leave and find a new one. There's timing issues in some cases (and more issues during an emergency with stop-loss in effect) but otherwise if you are enlisted, you can not reup after your period of enlistment. If you are commissioned you can resign your commission. And you can almost certainly get another job, on favorable terms, because most public and many private employers apply hiring preference for veterans.
- MichaelMcG 5y ago
  The primary point they are making is that the military is unlike a civilian job where you can quit and not show up tomorrow, the time remaining on your contract determines how long until your ETS date. If you get sick of the green weenie in year two of your standard 4 year contract, you still have the threat of a less-than honorable discharge/UCMJ action forcing you to show up and put in a minimal effort. Job satisfaction is huge civilian side, but is almost a foreign concept in the military--all until your retention counseling and you opt to renew your vows or chase that smart, young, DD214 hottie that just moved into town.

jl2718 5y ago

> It's impossibly naive to believe such a mindset possible in capital-oriented businesses. That is the perspective I was inviting to the table by writing this; just that it is a very different situation. I have no validated perspective on whether you are right or not, although I do have one experience failing to disprove the above.

gumby 5y ago

> ...the military is ... not like a job, where if it sucks enough you can just leave and find a new one. For a lot of people it is (once you reach the end of your required period). And if you don't want to advance you can simply bump along -- up-or-out only applies to commissioned officers.

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dragonwriter 5y ago

> It's not like a job, where if it sucks enough you can just leave and find a new one. There's timing issues in some cases (and more issues during an emergency with stop-loss in effect) but otherwise if you are enlisted, you can not reup after your period of enlistment. If you are commissioned you can resign your commission. And you can almost certainly get another job, on favorable terms, because most public and many private employers apply hiring preference for veterans.

MichaelMcG 5y ago
The primary point they are making is that the military is unlike a civilian job where you can quit and not show up tomorrow, the time remaining on your contract determines how long until your ETS date. If you get sick of the green weenie in year two of your standard 4 year contract, you still have the threat of a less-than honorable discharge/UCMJ action forcing you to show up and put in a minimal effort. Job satisfaction is huge civilian side, but is almost a foreign concept in the military--all until your retention counseling and you opt to renew your vows or chase that smart, young, DD214 hottie that just moved into town.