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But you do like the idea of a server-level scanner for a hash database assuming that you're guilty until proven innocent?

smoldesu 5y ago
Nobody does, but that's the current status-quo anyways. Almost every cloud-based service provider will do this anyways, Apple's only change is that they've moved their surveillance from their computers to mine. If I can't know how secure my phone is at all times, then I frankly can't feel comfortable using it.
JKCalhoun 5y ago
Yeah, I don't get the cloud/device distinction people are making. Increasingly they are one and the same (if you know what I mean).
- ramses0 5y ago
  ODINN => On Device, Intrusive, Neural Network. You cannot photocopy a dollar bill. Kinda makes sense. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation Now imagine a "live" neural network running on your phone or camera that prevents you from taking pictures of the Eiffel Tower at night due to "Suspected Copyright Abuse". https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/photographs-of-eiffel-tower-at-night/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/photographs-of-eiffel-towe... Next imagine that a local government issues a digital "All Points Bulletin" which scans all pictures on all phones for a "person of interest in a crime (against the state)", conveniently associated with the emergency alert broadcast network. First they came: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...
- simion314 5y ago
  >Yeah, I don't get the cloud/device distinction Maybe I can make it clearer. It is like you are asked or demanded to install some antivirus on your computer, but this is not a typical antivirus , it is not scanning to protect you but to find evidence against you and destroy your life. A list of facts, let me know if you disagree with the reality or my conclussion Apple could have scanned iCloud already, why did they not do it so far? Either there is a super low number of CP on iCloud which implies this feature is not needed OR Apple was lazy, incompetent or had some other reason and let a lot of bad guys escape . I would conclude from this that Apple , if they really care of children, should freaking start scanning the existing iCloud images now. From the above I am inclined to believe that this is not an action to protect the children, the reality does not fit, if there is so much CP on iCloud but Apple just woke up then WTF is that all PR about protecting children.
- lamontcg 5y ago
  With all the attention it has been getting I think its only a matter of time before CSAM-SWATing starts to happen on those cloud services. The amount of people who know that scanning is happening just dramatically increased in the past month. And for all we know it may have already happened and someone is currently rotting in jail who shouldn't be there. Middle aged dude raided by cops who find CSAM on their cloud accounts, claims that his phone got hacked. Lying sack of shit pedo, of course he'd say that, right?
  - JKCalhoun 5y ago
    We've had plenty of time for it to have already happened since various services have been scanning for CSAM for some time.
    - lamontcg 5y ago
      > The amount of people who know that scanning is happening just dramatically increased in the past month.

smoldesu 5y ago

Nobody does, but that's the current status-quo anyways. Almost every cloud-based service provider will do this anyways, Apple's only change is that they've moved their surveillance from their computers to mine. If I can't know how secure my phone is at all times, then I frankly can't feel comfortable using it.

JKCalhoun 5y ago

Yeah, I don't get the cloud/device distinction people are making. Increasingly they are one and the same (if you know what I mean).

ramses0 5y ago
ODINN => On Device, Intrusive, Neural Network. You cannot photocopy a dollar bill. Kinda makes sense. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation Now imagine a "live" neural network running on your phone or camera that prevents you from taking pictures of the Eiffel Tower at night due to "Suspected Copyright Abuse". https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/photographs-of-eiffel-tower-at-night/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/photographs-of-eiffel-towe... Next imagine that a local government issues a digital "All Points Bulletin" which scans all pictures on all phones for a "person of interest in a crime (against the state)", conveniently associated with the emergency alert broadcast network. First they came: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...
simion314 5y ago
>Yeah, I don't get the cloud/device distinction Maybe I can make it clearer. It is like you are asked or demanded to install some antivirus on your computer, but this is not a typical antivirus , it is not scanning to protect you but to find evidence against you and destroy your life. A list of facts, let me know if you disagree with the reality or my conclussion Apple could have scanned iCloud already, why did they not do it so far? Either there is a super low number of CP on iCloud which implies this feature is not needed OR Apple was lazy, incompetent or had some other reason and let a lot of bad guys escape . I would conclude from this that Apple , if they really care of children, should freaking start scanning the existing iCloud images now. From the above I am inclined to believe that this is not an action to protect the children, the reality does not fit, if there is so much CP on iCloud but Apple just woke up then WTF is that all PR about protecting children.
lamontcg 5y ago
With all the attention it has been getting I think its only a matter of time before CSAM-SWATing starts to happen on those cloud services. The amount of people who know that scanning is happening just dramatically increased in the past month. And for all we know it may have already happened and someone is currently rotting in jail who shouldn't be there. Middle aged dude raided by cops who find CSAM on their cloud accounts, claims that his phone got hacked. Lying sack of shit pedo, of course he'd say that, right?
- JKCalhoun 5y ago
  We've had plenty of time for it to have already happened since various services have been scanning for CSAM for some time.
  - lamontcg 5y ago
    > The amount of people who know that scanning is happening just dramatically increased in the past month.