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To think the unvaccinated should be scared of it reveals a perspective born of mania. I'm unvaccinated, had covid last week, it's preferable to a common cold.

To think the unvaccinated should be scared of it reveals a perspective born of mania. I'm unvaccinated, had covid last week, it's preferable to a common cold. There is no way I will bother with the so-called vaccine, which is more of a mere remedy, when covid is so insignificant to people who are healthy. If you are so unhealthy that you need the vaccine (remedy) then you have bigger concerns.

erhk 5y ago
What is a remedy in this context? Can you put this chicken scratch in real terms or are you simply so far into pseudoscience that you've disregarded language as well? 90% of ICU cases are people that think like you in my county. Almost all new severe cases and deaths are people who believe they are above the risk. Tell me this, since you are a "healthy" individual do you also forego all cancer screening? Do you simply have such an attunement to your own body that you can feel any rogue cells as they form? Perhaps you rub yourself with quartz because you consider it to be a "good" crystal with healing properties.
ineedasername 5y ago
I guess what it comes down to is this: Do you think that if most people got vaccinated, fewer people would get seriously sick & die? If so, then your position is hard to justify. If not, then I would be interested in your explanation for that belief. had covid last week, it's preferable to a common cold Glad it worked out for you, but plenty of other healthy people are dying. Others are passing it on to people who then die. when covid is so insignificant to people who are healthy. A truly selfish perspective If you are so unhealthy that you need the vaccine (remedy) then you have bigger concerns. Sure, and plenty of people have underlying conditions through no fault of their own, and the unvaccinated are adding to their concerns significantly by gambling with their own health (which is alright, I guess) and by extension the health of everyone around them (which, again, is selfish) Also what do you mean by remedy? Definitions that I see do not match your use of the term. That word may not mean what you think it means.
- h3cate 5y ago
  I get what you're saying but we're seeing the virus spread through the vaccinated. Because the vaccinated aren't getting sick and ending up in hospital, they're spreading it to more people and the virus is mutating the whole way so I struggle to follow your logic.
  - bialpio 5y ago
    Last time I saw a number, vaccinations offer more than ~60% protection against infection with Delta altogether - did you run the numbers / see some study to arrive at "they're spreading it to more people", or is this a case of "it aligns with what I already thought / it justifies my current behavior so it must be true"?
    - ineedasername 5y ago
      it justifies my current behavior so it must be true That would be my guess, since actual evidence shows that vaccinated people are infectious for a significantly shorter period of time: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-var...
    - h3cate 5y ago
      Take out the word more and I will stand by what I said. Also you might have less chance of getting infected but you also are less likely to develop symptoms and so will most likely not isolate when you are infected. You are trying to condense a very complex scenario into a very simple argument.
      - bialpio 5y ago
        > Take out the word more (...) "With the BNT162b2 vaccine, the effectiveness of two doses was 93.7% (95% CI, 91.6 to 95.3) among persons with the alpha variant and 88.0% (95% CI, 85.3 to 90.1) among those with the delta variant. With the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine, the effectiveness of two doses was 74.5% (95% CI, 68.4 to 79.4) among persons with the alpha variant and 67.0% (95% CI, 61.3 to 71.8) among those with the delta variant." https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891 On the contrary, I'm actually tightening my estimation to "more than 67%" (95% CI @ 61.3%-71.8%). BNT162b2 is Pfizer, ChAdOx1 is AstraZeneca. > (...) also are less likely to develop symptoms and so will most likely not isolate when you are infected. Yup, so multiply those likelihoods and let me know what number you arrived at and what assumptions did you take so that we can compare some concrete estimations. Or share some article that tried to estimate this. > You are trying to condense a very complex scenario into a very simple argument. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise by some data, so far the only thing you're offering is an opinion.
pasquinelli 5y ago
the point of the vaccine for healthy people is to limit the spread of the virus. a virus turns your cells into virus making factories. immunized people have a lower risk of infection by the virus, so are less likely to become virus factories, and so are less likely to spread it.
outside1234 5y ago
So you are selfish, because you could have passed it on to a number of people in the meantime for whom it will not be a common cold.
- heywherelogingo 5y ago
  Right, because 0.1% of the population expecting 99.9% of the population to lockdown and inject things too isn't selfish?
  - shkkmo 5y ago
    Made up numbers are made up.

erhk 5y ago

What is a remedy in this context? Can you put this chicken scratch in real terms or are you simply so far into pseudoscience that you've disregarded language as well? 90% of ICU cases are people that think like you in my county. Almost all new severe cases and deaths are people who believe they are above the risk. Tell me this, since you are a "healthy" individual do you also forego all cancer screening? Do you simply have such an attunement to your own body that you can feel any rogue cells as they form? Perhaps you rub yourself with quartz because you consider it to be a "good" crystal with healing properties.

ineedasername 5y ago

I guess what it comes down to is this: Do you think that if most people got vaccinated, fewer people would get seriously sick & die? If so, then your position is hard to justify. If not, then I would be interested in your explanation for that belief. had covid last week, it's preferable to a common cold Glad it worked out for you, but plenty of other healthy people are dying. Others are passing it on to people who then die. when covid is so insignificant to people who are healthy. A truly selfish perspective If you are so unhealthy that you need the vaccine (remedy) then you have bigger concerns. Sure, and plenty of people have underlying conditions through no fault of their own, and the unvaccinated are adding to their concerns significantly by gambling with their own health (which is alright, I guess) and by extension the health of everyone around them (which, again, is selfish) Also what do you mean by remedy? Definitions that I see do not match your use of the term. That word may not mean what you think it means.

h3cate 5y ago
I get what you're saying but we're seeing the virus spread through the vaccinated. Because the vaccinated aren't getting sick and ending up in hospital, they're spreading it to more people and the virus is mutating the whole way so I struggle to follow your logic.
- bialpio 5y ago
  Last time I saw a number, vaccinations offer more than ~60% protection against infection with Delta altogether - did you run the numbers / see some study to arrive at "they're spreading it to more people", or is this a case of "it aligns with what I already thought / it justifies my current behavior so it must be true"?
  - ineedasername 5y ago
    it justifies my current behavior so it must be true That would be my guess, since actual evidence shows that vaccinated people are infectious for a significantly shorter period of time: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-var...
  - h3cate 5y ago
    Take out the word more and I will stand by what I said. Also you might have less chance of getting infected but you also are less likely to develop symptoms and so will most likely not isolate when you are infected. You are trying to condense a very complex scenario into a very simple argument.
    - bialpio 5y ago
      > Take out the word more (...) "With the BNT162b2 vaccine, the effectiveness of two doses was 93.7% (95% CI, 91.6 to 95.3) among persons with the alpha variant and 88.0% (95% CI, 85.3 to 90.1) among those with the delta variant. With the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine, the effectiveness of two doses was 74.5% (95% CI, 68.4 to 79.4) among persons with the alpha variant and 67.0% (95% CI, 61.3 to 71.8) among those with the delta variant." https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891 On the contrary, I'm actually tightening my estimation to "more than 67%" (95% CI @ 61.3%-71.8%). BNT162b2 is Pfizer, ChAdOx1 is AstraZeneca. > (...) also are less likely to develop symptoms and so will most likely not isolate when you are infected. Yup, so multiply those likelihoods and let me know what number you arrived at and what assumptions did you take so that we can compare some concrete estimations. Or share some article that tried to estimate this. > You are trying to condense a very complex scenario into a very simple argument. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise by some data, so far the only thing you're offering is an opinion.

pasquinelli 5y ago

the point of the vaccine for healthy people is to limit the spread of the virus. a virus turns your cells into virus making factories. immunized people have a lower risk of infection by the virus, so are less likely to become virus factories, and so are less likely to spread it.

outside1234 5y ago

So you are selfish, because you could have passed it on to a number of people in the meantime for whom it will not be a common cold.

heywherelogingo 5y ago
Right, because 0.1% of the population expecting 99.9% of the population to lockdown and inject things too isn't selfish?
- shkkmo 5y ago
  Made up numbers are made up.