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Science does adapt. And as often repeated, we know little to nothing about COVID. Lifting the mask mandate was a political move, and it was a poor one. Not pus

by dolni 5y ago

Science does adapt. And as often repeated, we know little to nothing about COVID. Lifting the mask mandate was a political move, and it was a poor one. Not pushing KN95/N95 when it was basically guaranteed to be increased protection was a poor move. Taking us out of lockdown, and failing to reinstate the lockdown, was a political move. Also a poor choice. You're over here talking about science. Half of these decisions are being made based on politics. Wouldn't surprise me if the vaccine approval were also.

oblio 5y ago
It's a mix of politics and science, though. You might argue about the US, ok. But what about Iceland? Singapore? Switzerland? Etc, etc, ad nauseam. Not every government out there is super abusive. The alternative is that they're all crazy (and/or malicious), and that's a <<very>> difficult thing to prove. So difficult that the simpler explanation is that they are following scientific processes, slightly mixed with politics and also... full of mistakes because we're all human.
- dolni 5y ago
  Are you seriously arguing that politics is somehow unique to the USA? What kind of argument is that? > The alternative is that they're all crazy (and/or malicious), and that's a <<very>> difficult thing to prove. You don't have to assume the government is crazy or malicious. People are tired of lockdowns, they're tired of COVID, they're tired of wearing masks. Businesses, like restaurants, have been put in a tough spot. I get all that. So do our government officials. That doesn't mean that there isn't room to criticize government for its mistakes. We already knew there were anti-vaxxers before the pandemic started. > So difficult that the simpler explanation is that they are following scientific processes They are _trying_ to. They're not. Lifting the lockdown just because things got better for a bit was a fucking stupid idea, and we're paying the price for that. You would have been much better off maintaining the lockdown for some period and letting restaurants and other struggling businesses figure out how to pivot. And for gods sake, the stupid shit like OSHA suspending vaccine side effect reporting requirements is just playing into the hands of anti-vaxxers (https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/faqs#vaccine https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/faqs#vaccine).
  - oblio 5y ago
    > Are you seriously arguing that politics is somehow unique to the USA? What kind of argument is that? :-)) What I'm saying is that if large groups of people, of different dispositions, intentions, cultures, etc. all over the world are doing mostly the same thing, then that means that there are some forces in play that they all can't really control. In this case those forces are social.

by dolni 5y ago

oblio 5y ago

It's a mix of politics and science, though. You might argue about the US, ok. But what about Iceland? Singapore? Switzerland? Etc, etc, ad nauseam. Not every government out there is super abusive. The alternative is that they're all crazy (and/or malicious), and that's a <<very>> difficult thing to prove. So difficult that the simpler explanation is that they are following scientific processes, slightly mixed with politics and also... full of mistakes because we're all human.

dolni 5y ago
Are you seriously arguing that politics is somehow unique to the USA? What kind of argument is that? > The alternative is that they're all crazy (and/or malicious), and that's a <<very>> difficult thing to prove. You don't have to assume the government is crazy or malicious. People are tired of lockdowns, they're tired of COVID, they're tired of wearing masks. Businesses, like restaurants, have been put in a tough spot. I get all that. So do our government officials. That doesn't mean that there isn't room to criticize government for its mistakes. We already knew there were anti-vaxxers before the pandemic started. > So difficult that the simpler explanation is that they are following scientific processes They are _trying_ to. They're not. Lifting the lockdown just because things got better for a bit was a fucking stupid idea, and we're paying the price for that. You would have been much better off maintaining the lockdown for some period and letting restaurants and other struggling businesses figure out how to pivot. And for gods sake, the stupid shit like OSHA suspending vaccine side effect reporting requirements is just playing into the hands of anti-vaxxers (https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/faqs#vaccine https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/faqs#vaccine).
- oblio 5y ago
  > Are you seriously arguing that politics is somehow unique to the USA? What kind of argument is that? :-)) What I'm saying is that if large groups of people, of different dispositions, intentions, cultures, etc. all over the world are doing mostly the same thing, then that means that there are some forces in play that they all can't really control. In this case those forces are social.