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Well, the web-site is wrong if it assumes I'd prefer everything to be dark, not only UI. This is one of the examples of absence of empathy and wrong conclusion

by Mikho 5y ago

Well, the web-site is wrong if it assumes I'd prefer everything to be dark, not only UI. This is one of the examples of absence of empathy and wrong conclusion about human behaviour by some coder.

gambiting 5y ago
>>web-site is wrong if it assumes I'd prefer everything to be dark, not only UI Uhm, no? It's the exact opposite. Nothing worse that opening a website in the middle of the night and it burns your retinas because it has pure white background. I have a dark theme on everything, of course the website should adapt. What's the point of dynamic web otherwise?
- Mikho 5y ago
  Some people use computers in the middle of the day and don't want to stare at dark web-sites though.
  - gambiting 5y ago
    Then those people can choose a light theme, it's all about your choice as a user.
maxsilver 5y ago
> This is one of the examples of absence of empathy Isn't this an example of an abundance of empathy? If the user has requested dark-mode, websites responding with their best version of a dark-mode experience is an example of user empathy in action. I operate in dark-mode 24/7 myself, and I've been pleasantly surprised at websites slowly supporting a dark-mode experience and automatically showing that by default. There should probably be a one-click "override dark/light mode on this site" button somewhere, so that you don't have to dig into your OS to change it back. But the defaults here seem like the most reasonable, most user-respecting thing that could possibly exist.
- Mikho 5y ago
  No. When someone forces on everybody else own understanding of the world regardless of what other people want that's an absence. Not forcing own defaults and giving a choice—that would be more preferrable.
  - gambiting 5y ago
    >>When someone forces on everybody else own understanding of the world regardless of what other people want that's an absence. That is literally what you are proposing though. That website creators should force their creation on everyone else and even though the user has clearly signalled that they want to be in dark mode, they should disregard this preference. Picking dark mode is a choice, and websites should respect that choice and adapt to it. Not doing so is "forcing on everyone else your understanding of the world".
    - Mikho 5y ago
      Standard default usually means light. Changing this to dark means forcing new default. Since there is a browser limitation in telling exactly what a user wants—dark UI and light content or dark UI and dark content—forcing a new default considering that it's exactly what a user wants just based oninformation about UI despite the fact that there are not enough signals is a bit wrong. The safer bet would be to provide a choice but keep defaults to general (light) and not make choice for a user just judging by UI theme.
      - gambiting 5y ago
        >>Changing this to dark means forcing new default. No one is changing the default. Websites are merely respecting YOUR choice. >>The safer bet would be to provide a choice but keep defaults to general (light) This is literally how this works already - default is light theme, changing it to dark theme is a choice - I still don't understand what your issue here is.
cyral 5y ago
> the web-site is wrong How is the website supposed to know you prefer the content to be light but the UI to be dark?
- Mikho 5y ago
  The web-site should not suppose anything. It'd better not change defaults at all and deliver conventional colors. If it offers an optional switch to change theme to dark that would be appreciated. But not the fact that it makes and force choice for a user who didn't ask for it.
  - AlexAndScripts 5y ago
    Your browser makes the choice. Your browser tells the site to do a dark theme. The website obliges. Just change your browser settings.
  - jclardy 5y ago
    The website isn't supposing anything. The browser is supposing that you want the dark version of the website because you are in the system dark mode. Why should this be different from say view scale? Should a website override the user's zoom level and render tiny fonts because it wants to? It doesn't, because the browser tells it what scale to use. Same with light/dark modes. Your issue is that your browser doesn't let you configure this one setting, not that every single website on the entire internet doesn't implement what you want.
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roetlich 5y ago
The website doesn't know what your other UI looks like, it only knows whether you requested dark mode in your browser. Feel free to change your browser settings.

by Mikho 5y ago

Well, the web-site is wrong if it assumes I'd prefer everything to be dark, not only UI. This is one of the examples of absence of empathy and wrong conclusion about human behaviour by some coder.

gambiting 5y ago

>>web-site is wrong if it assumes I'd prefer everything to be dark, not only UI Uhm, no? It's the exact opposite. Nothing worse that opening a website in the middle of the night and it burns your retinas because it has pure white background. I have a dark theme on everything, of course the website should adapt. What's the point of dynamic web otherwise?

Mikho 5y ago
Some people use computers in the middle of the day and don't want to stare at dark web-sites though.
- gambiting 5y ago
  Then those people can choose a light theme, it's all about your choice as a user.

maxsilver 5y ago

> This is one of the examples of absence of empathy Isn't this an example of an abundance of empathy? If the user has requested dark-mode, websites responding with their best version of a dark-mode experience is an example of user empathy in action. I operate in dark-mode 24/7 myself, and I've been pleasantly surprised at websites slowly supporting a dark-mode experience and automatically showing that by default. There should probably be a one-click "override dark/light mode on this site" button somewhere, so that you don't have to dig into your OS to change it back. But the defaults here seem like the most reasonable, most user-respecting thing that could possibly exist.

Mikho 5y ago
No. When someone forces on everybody else own understanding of the world regardless of what other people want that's an absence. Not forcing own defaults and giving a choice—that would be more preferrable.
- gambiting 5y ago
  >>When someone forces on everybody else own understanding of the world regardless of what other people want that's an absence. That is literally what you are proposing though. That website creators should force their creation on everyone else and even though the user has clearly signalled that they want to be in dark mode, they should disregard this preference. Picking dark mode is a choice, and websites should respect that choice and adapt to it. Not doing so is "forcing on everyone else your understanding of the world".
  - Mikho 5y ago
    Standard default usually means light. Changing this to dark means forcing new default. Since there is a browser limitation in telling exactly what a user wants—dark UI and light content or dark UI and dark content—forcing a new default considering that it's exactly what a user wants just based oninformation about UI despite the fact that there are not enough signals is a bit wrong. The safer bet would be to provide a choice but keep defaults to general (light) and not make choice for a user just judging by UI theme.
    - gambiting 5y ago
      >>Changing this to dark means forcing new default. No one is changing the default. Websites are merely respecting YOUR choice. >>The safer bet would be to provide a choice but keep defaults to general (light) This is literally how this works already - default is light theme, changing it to dark theme is a choice - I still don't understand what your issue here is.

cyral 5y ago

> the web-site is wrong How is the website supposed to know you prefer the content to be light but the UI to be dark?

Mikho 5y ago
The web-site should not suppose anything. It'd better not change defaults at all and deliver conventional colors. If it offers an optional switch to change theme to dark that would be appreciated. But not the fact that it makes and force choice for a user who didn't ask for it.
- AlexAndScripts 5y ago
  Your browser makes the choice. Your browser tells the site to do a dark theme. The website obliges. Just change your browser settings.
- jclardy 5y ago
  The website isn't supposing anything. The browser is supposing that you want the dark version of the website because you are in the system dark mode. Why should this be different from say view scale? Should a website override the user's zoom level and render tiny fonts because it wants to? It doesn't, because the browser tells it what scale to use. Same with light/dark modes. Your issue is that your browser doesn't let you configure this one setting, not that every single website on the entire internet doesn't implement what you want.

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roetlich 5y ago

The website doesn't know what your other UI looks like, it only knows whether you requested dark mode in your browser. Feel free to change your browser settings.