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You're right, it's very sad we've come to this state of affairs. Shame also that the defenders are rushing to justify the coming vaccine passports: "These are

You're right, it's very sad we've come to this state of affairs. Shame also that the defenders are rushing to justify the coming vaccine passports: "These are private businesses!" "You can just stay home/quit your job/order groceries online/do curbside pickup/etc" "We need to focus on SAFETY". Interesting that the "my body, my choice" crowd has gotten super quiet on this particular issue.

lotsofpulp 5y ago
> Interesting that the "my body, my choice" crowd has gotten super quiet on this particular issue. Not really interesting, since abortion does not affect others whereas a transmissible virus does.
- silicon2401 5y ago
  > abortion does not affect others This is a bad faith argument that makes no effort to understand anti-abortion viewpoints. At least for some subset of their population, the whole basis for their stance is that they assign humanity at conception, not at birth. Hence to say abortion "does not affect others" is an opinion only valid in some viewpoints. (unfortunately, I feel disclaimers are necessary around topics that people tend to not be objective and unemotional about) - I'm not anti-abortion myself; if anything I'm quite pro-abortion and think it should be encouraged in many cases. However I still try to understand the viewpoint of anti-abortion proponents
  - lotsofpulp 5y ago
    I am aware of the viewpoints of anti abortion choice people, but they are not relevant to forgingahead’s comment that I was replying to. forgingahead’s comment implied that people with the opinion of pro abortion choice are being inconsistent in their belief if “my body, my choice” when it comes to mandating vaccines, to which I intended to clarify how it is not inconsistent because it is actually “my body, my choice [assuming it does not affect others]”.
jrmg 5y ago
Do you believe that society should be unable to impose medical requirements on individuals, or that this case doesn’t warrant it?

lotsofpulp 5y ago

> Interesting that the "my body, my choice" crowd has gotten super quiet on this particular issue. Not really interesting, since abortion does not affect others whereas a transmissible virus does.

silicon2401 5y ago
> abortion does not affect others This is a bad faith argument that makes no effort to understand anti-abortion viewpoints. At least for some subset of their population, the whole basis for their stance is that they assign humanity at conception, not at birth. Hence to say abortion "does not affect others" is an opinion only valid in some viewpoints. (unfortunately, I feel disclaimers are necessary around topics that people tend to not be objective and unemotional about) - I'm not anti-abortion myself; if anything I'm quite pro-abortion and think it should be encouraged in many cases. However I still try to understand the viewpoint of anti-abortion proponents
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  I am aware of the viewpoints of anti abortion choice people, but they are not relevant to forgingahead’s comment that I was replying to. forgingahead’s comment implied that people with the opinion of pro abortion choice are being inconsistent in their belief if “my body, my choice” when it comes to mandating vaccines, to which I intended to clarify how it is not inconsistent because it is actually “my body, my choice [assuming it does not affect others]”.

jrmg 5y ago

Do you believe that society should be unable to impose medical requirements on individuals, or that this case doesn’t warrant it?