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> Getting really drunk and driving home is also a decision about your body. So is smoking inside restaurants. Smelly analogy is smelly. You're talking about th

by dolni 5y ago

> Getting really drunk and driving home is also a decision about your body. So is smoking inside restaurants. Smelly analogy is smelly. You're talking about the difference between very specific behaviors being prohibited versus blacklisting half of the population from participating in society with vaccine mandates (many of whom are black, by the way). It's not even close to a valid comparison. I get the sense that the overlap of people who are pro-mandatory-vaccine and pro-choice is pretty high, being that they are both liberal positions. "My body, my choice" is just fine for women's reproductive rights, even if it meant taking away a baby's chance to live. All of a sudden "my body, my choice" doesn't sound so good? I got both of my shots but I am so tired of people blaming anti-vaxxers. Give me a vaccine good enough that I don't have to worry about it. Today, I'm literally going to get a COVID test despite having both my vaccine doses. Why? Apparently my government isn't capable of providing useful guidance to keep me safe. We keep hearing about masks, but the mandate got dropped and there was never any talk about mandating the clearly superior KN95 or N95 masks. Anti-vaxxers have been consistent from the beginning that they're not getting vaccinated. You know whose position keeps changing? FDA & CDC. Whether it's how effective the vaccine is, what the side effects are, do we need to wear masks, how much social distancing is required, whether or not a booster is useful... You and everyone else blaming anti-vaxxers are letting the government redirect blame for its own failures.

oblio 5y ago
> Why? Apparently my government isn't capable of providing useful guidance to keep me safe. We keep hearing about masks, but the mandate got dropped and there was never any talk about mandating the clearly superior KN95 or N95 masks. > Anti-vaxxers have been consistent from the beginning that they're not getting vaccinated. You know whose position keeps changing? FDA & CDC. Whether it's how effective the vaccine is, what the side effects are, do we need to wear masks, how much social distancing is required, whether or not a booster is useful... > You and everyone else blaming anti-vaxxers are letting the government redirect blame for its own failures. Science adapts and adjusts based on new information. The lack of willingness to adapt when confronted with new evidence has an unfortunate name.
- dolni 5y ago
  Science does adapt. And as often repeated, we know little to nothing about COVID. Lifting the mask mandate was a political move, and it was a poor one. Not pushing KN95/N95 when it was basically guaranteed to be increased protection was a poor move. Taking us out of lockdown, and failing to reinstate the lockdown, was a political move. Also a poor choice. You're over here talking about science. Half of these decisions are being made based on politics. Wouldn't surprise me if the vaccine approval were also.
  - oblio 5y ago
    It's a mix of politics and science, though. You might argue about the US, ok. But what about Iceland? Singapore? Switzerland? Etc, etc, ad nauseam. Not every government out there is super abusive. The alternative is that they're all crazy (and/or malicious), and that's a <<very>> difficult thing to prove. So difficult that the simpler explanation is that they are following scientific processes, slightly mixed with politics and also... full of mistakes because we're all human.
    - dolni 5y ago
      Are you seriously arguing that politics is somehow unique to the USA? What kind of argument is that? > The alternative is that they're all crazy (and/or malicious), and that's a <<very>> difficult thing to prove. You don't have to assume the government is crazy or malicious. People are tired of lockdowns, they're tired of COVID, they're tired of wearing masks. Businesses, like restaurants, have been put in a tough spot. I get all that. So do our government officials. That doesn't mean that there isn't room to criticize government for its mistakes. We already knew there were anti-vaxxers before the pandemic started. > So difficult that the simpler explanation is that they are following scientific processes They are _trying_ to. They're not. Lifting the lockdown just because things got better for a bit was a fucking stupid idea, and we're paying the price for that. You would have been much better off maintaining the lockdown for some period and letting restaurants and other struggling businesses figure out how to pivot. And for gods sake, the stupid shit like OSHA suspending vaccine side effect reporting requirements is just playing into the hands of anti-vaxxers (https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/faqs#vaccine https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/faqs#vaccine).

by dolni 5y ago

oblio 5y ago

> Why? Apparently my government isn't capable of providing useful guidance to keep me safe. We keep hearing about masks, but the mandate got dropped and there was never any talk about mandating the clearly superior KN95 or N95 masks. > Anti-vaxxers have been consistent from the beginning that they're not getting vaccinated. You know whose position keeps changing? FDA & CDC. Whether it's how effective the vaccine is, what the side effects are, do we need to wear masks, how much social distancing is required, whether or not a booster is useful... > You and everyone else blaming anti-vaxxers are letting the government redirect blame for its own failures. Science adapts and adjusts based on new information. The lack of willingness to adapt when confronted with new evidence has an unfortunate name.

dolni 5y ago
Science does adapt. And as often repeated, we know little to nothing about COVID. Lifting the mask mandate was a political move, and it was a poor one. Not pushing KN95/N95 when it was basically guaranteed to be increased protection was a poor move. Taking us out of lockdown, and failing to reinstate the lockdown, was a political move. Also a poor choice. You're over here talking about science. Half of these decisions are being made based on politics. Wouldn't surprise me if the vaccine approval were also.
- oblio 5y ago
  It's a mix of politics and science, though. You might argue about the US, ok. But what about Iceland? Singapore? Switzerland? Etc, etc, ad nauseam. Not every government out there is super abusive. The alternative is that they're all crazy (and/or malicious), and that's a <<very>> difficult thing to prove. So difficult that the simpler explanation is that they are following scientific processes, slightly mixed with politics and also... full of mistakes because we're all human.
  - dolni 5y ago
    Are you seriously arguing that politics is somehow unique to the USA? What kind of argument is that? > The alternative is that they're all crazy (and/or malicious), and that's a <<very>> difficult thing to prove. You don't have to assume the government is crazy or malicious. People are tired of lockdowns, they're tired of COVID, they're tired of wearing masks. Businesses, like restaurants, have been put in a tough spot. I get all that. So do our government officials. That doesn't mean that there isn't room to criticize government for its mistakes. We already knew there were anti-vaxxers before the pandemic started. > So difficult that the simpler explanation is that they are following scientific processes They are _trying_ to. They're not. Lifting the lockdown just because things got better for a bit was a fucking stupid idea, and we're paying the price for that. You would have been much better off maintaining the lockdown for some period and letting restaurants and other struggling businesses figure out how to pivot. And for gods sake, the stupid shit like OSHA suspending vaccine side effect reporting requirements is just playing into the hands of anti-vaxxers (https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/faqs#vaccine https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/faqs#vaccine).