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This is for private business mandates - from the article: The move may encourage some unvaccinated Americans to get the shots as well as give more private

This is for private business mandates - from the article: The move may encourage some unvaccinated Americans to get the shots as well as give more private businesses across the nation greater confidence to implement vaccine mandates.

s1artibartfast 5y ago
People have been clamoring for government mandates as well. I think this will clear the wat for military and state workers mandates even if CNBC doesn't explicitly say so in this article.
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  I would be happy with just refusing admittance to hospitals of non vaccinated people without medical exemptions.
  - ezekg 5y ago
    Yes, hippocratic oath be damned.
    - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
      > hippocratic oath be damned Triage doesn’t violate the Hippocratic oath. Allocating limited medical resources is sometimes a necessity. That said, yes, they shouldn’t be refused. We don’t refuse the mentally ill or others who self harm. But unless it can be shown to be a product of mental illness, the voluntarily unvaccinated should be on the hook for the cost of their treatment.
      - lotsofpulp 5y ago
        Why should vaccinated people be denied healthcare resources because the resources are being exhausted by people choosing to ignore medical professionals advice and refuse to get a free vaccine?
        JumpCrisscross 5y ago
        > Why should vaccinated people be denied healthcare resources because they are overloaded by people choosing to ignore medical professionals advice and refuse to get a free vaccine? If hospitals are full the voluntarily unvaccinated should be de-prioritised. (If they recover, they’re going to be right back in with the next variant.) But if the hospitals aren’t full, there is no reason to refuse care.
        lotsofpulp 5y ago
        At the rate with which hospitalizations are occurring, and volatility of the situation, the only viable strategy is to simply turn many of them away and leave a lot of hospital capacity for slack. Hospitals cannot roll the gurneys out into the street and dump non vaccinated people when they need to make room. Once admitted, they can occupy lots of resources for lots of days, so I say just make it easy and tell them to hit the road for the time being. I do not even see a reason why elective procedures should be affected by the selfishness of non vaccinated people.
  - Maf1 5y ago
    and smokers, drinkers, drug takers, extreme sports enthusiasts.
    - lotsofpulp 5y ago
      Sure, if those actions were causing hospitals to run out of capacity.
      - Maf1 5y ago
        In 2019/20 there were estimated to be 506,100 hospital admissions attributable to smoking. (Statistics on Smoking, England 2020-NHS)
        lotsofpulp 5y ago
        And? The rate of admissions is the important part. Considering there was no testimonials by nurses and doctors about exhausting ICU capacities and whatnot, or at least I did not hear about it, I do not see why that is relevant.
  - s1artibartfast 5y ago
    I hope you mean when hospitals are at capacity and not before. I would be OK with prioritizing those who were proactively vaccinated if we get there. Latest data shows 8-9% of hospital beds are occupied by those with Covid, including those with a positive test but no symptoms https://www.cdc.gov/nhsn/covid19/report-patient-impact.html https://www.cdc.gov/nhsn/covid19/report-patient-impact.html
    - lotsofpulp 5y ago
      From what I understand, hospitals in certain areas are running out of capacity as that graph indicates with certain states quite a bit more purple than others. But I would put unvaccinated people at the back of the line, even behind elective procedures and hope hospital management does whatever it takes to make sure others are prioritized.
- curt15 5y ago
  What other vaccines does the military currently require?
  - s1artibartfast 5y ago
    Adenovirus, Influenza (Flu Shot), Measles, Meningococcal, Mumps, Polio, Rubella, Tetanus-diphtheria, Yellow Fever, Hepatitis A, JE Vaccine, Typhoid, Cholera, Hepatitis B, Measles, Mumps, Plague, Rabies, Varicella, Small Pox, Anthrax https://usarmybasic.com/about-the-army/army-shots https://usarmybasic.com/about-the-army/army-shots

s1artibartfast 5y ago

People have been clamoring for government mandates as well. I think this will clear the wat for military and state workers mandates even if CNBC doesn't explicitly say so in this article.

lotsofpulp 5y ago
I would be happy with just refusing admittance to hospitals of non vaccinated people without medical exemptions.
- ezekg 5y ago
  Yes, hippocratic oath be damned.
  - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
    > hippocratic oath be damned Triage doesn’t violate the Hippocratic oath. Allocating limited medical resources is sometimes a necessity. That said, yes, they shouldn’t be refused. We don’t refuse the mentally ill or others who self harm. But unless it can be shown to be a product of mental illness, the voluntarily unvaccinated should be on the hook for the cost of their treatment.
    - lotsofpulp 5y ago
      Why should vaccinated people be denied healthcare resources because the resources are being exhausted by people choosing to ignore medical professionals advice and refuse to get a free vaccine?
      - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
        > Why should vaccinated people be denied healthcare resources because they are overloaded by people choosing to ignore medical professionals advice and refuse to get a free vaccine? If hospitals are full the voluntarily unvaccinated should be de-prioritised. (If they recover, they’re going to be right back in with the next variant.) But if the hospitals aren’t full, there is no reason to refuse care.
        lotsofpulp 5y ago
        At the rate with which hospitalizations are occurring, and volatility of the situation, the only viable strategy is to simply turn many of them away and leave a lot of hospital capacity for slack. Hospitals cannot roll the gurneys out into the street and dump non vaccinated people when they need to make room. Once admitted, they can occupy lots of resources for lots of days, so I say just make it easy and tell them to hit the road for the time being. I do not even see a reason why elective procedures should be affected by the selfishness of non vaccinated people.
- Maf1 5y ago
  and smokers, drinkers, drug takers, extreme sports enthusiasts.
  - lotsofpulp 5y ago
    Sure, if those actions were causing hospitals to run out of capacity.
    - Maf1 5y ago
      In 2019/20 there were estimated to be 506,100 hospital admissions attributable to smoking. (Statistics on Smoking, England 2020-NHS)
      - lotsofpulp 5y ago
        And? The rate of admissions is the important part. Considering there was no testimonials by nurses and doctors about exhausting ICU capacities and whatnot, or at least I did not hear about it, I do not see why that is relevant.
- s1artibartfast 5y ago
  I hope you mean when hospitals are at capacity and not before. I would be OK with prioritizing those who were proactively vaccinated if we get there. Latest data shows 8-9% of hospital beds are occupied by those with Covid, including those with a positive test but no symptoms https://www.cdc.gov/nhsn/covid19/report-patient-impact.html https://www.cdc.gov/nhsn/covid19/report-patient-impact.html
  - lotsofpulp 5y ago
    From what I understand, hospitals in certain areas are running out of capacity as that graph indicates with certain states quite a bit more purple than others. But I would put unvaccinated people at the back of the line, even behind elective procedures and hope hospital management does whatever it takes to make sure others are prioritized.
curt15 5y ago
What other vaccines does the military currently require?
- s1artibartfast 5y ago
  Adenovirus, Influenza (Flu Shot), Measles, Meningococcal, Mumps, Polio, Rubella, Tetanus-diphtheria, Yellow Fever, Hepatitis A, JE Vaccine, Typhoid, Cholera, Hepatitis B, Measles, Mumps, Plague, Rabies, Varicella, Small Pox, Anthrax https://usarmybasic.com/about-the-army/army-shots https://usarmybasic.com/about-the-army/army-shots