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Like someone else mentioned, I think the core issue is "Should the government have the right to mandate medical procedures?" In my mind, I'm vaccinated, so what

Like someone else mentioned, I think the core issue is "Should the government have the right to mandate medical procedures?" In my mind, I'm vaccinated, so what does it matter to me if others are not?

eddieroger 5y ago
I had to be vaccinated to enter first grade, and again in college. Since I went to a public school, doesn't that already kind of answer this question?
- walterbell 5y ago
  MMR vaccines are sterilizing, i.e. you take them once and done. No lifetime booster subscription. Current Covid vaccines are non-sterilizing. They do not provide immunity that is equivalent to the MMR vaccine. A future (nasal) Covid vaccine may offer long-term mucosal and blood/serum immunity.
  - Apofis 5y ago
    Why isn't the nasal vaccine being produced?
    - deleted 5y ago
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    - walterbell 5y ago
      Some are in trials. https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavirus-outbreak/story/india-nasal-coronavirus-vaccine-soon-trials-begin-nagpur-1756780-2021-01-07 https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavirus-outbreak/story/india-n... https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-08-sniffing-alternative-scientists-nasal-mist.html https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-08-sniffing-alternative-... https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/researchers-begin-trials-covid-19-nasal-spray-vaccine https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/researchers-begin-...
a_imho 5y ago
Kevin Sorbo's take https://twitter.com/ksorbs/status/1417538663018344448 https://twitter.com/ksorbs/status/1417538663018344448 Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from the virus that they were vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated. I'm really interested a rebuttal to this.
- misiti3780 5y ago
  That argument makes sense only if the borders were shut down though -- right ? I'm pro vaccine, but even if everyone in the US got vaccinated in the next month we would still have to worry about vaccine-resistant variants coming in via other places.
- christophilus 5y ago
  > or a vaccinated person might get sick from the virus that they were vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated The statement is true. If you're not vaccinated, and you get COVID, there's a non-zero chance that you'll be the source of someone else's breakthrough case. This statement is also true: If you're vaccinated, and you get COVID, there's a non-zero chance that you'll be the source of someone else's breakthrough case. So, the quote is kind of useless. The unvaccinated probably do spread COVID faster and with more frequency. So, the directionality of the quote is fine. But it reads like a boolean statement, which is incorrect. COVID is almost certainly endemic at this point. Vaccines clearly help, but it's incorrect to blame all of the mutations and spread on the unvaccinated.
  - wnkrshm 5y ago
    The take-away should be that we should mask up and try to isolate independent of vaccination status. Sadly, lots of vaccinated people think the ride is over for them and behave accordingly, in addition to the ones who never cared in the first place. We may see the fruits of that in winter, when the freshly normalized carelessness might lead to a larger increase in infections.
  - 55555 5y ago
    > The unvaccinated probably do spread COVID faster and with more frequency. In practice, do they really? If you're vaccinated and catch COVID, you're probably fine, so you go about your life. If you're unvaccinated, you're more likely to get sick and thus stay home. You're also more likely to build up natural immunity. Seems to me like now that we know being vaccinated doesn't prevent transmission, we should want the anti-vaxxers to not get vaxxed, as we'll all reach herd immunity faster and they're less likely to get us sick.
barfingclouds 5y ago
Really? Because if others are the pandemic will end and mutations won’t happen and if you need to go to the hospital it won’t be over booked. And a myriad of other reasons.
- ev0lv 5y ago
  This is actually a common misconception. Covid has an animal host vector. Unless we start vaccinating deer, it's here to stay regardless.

eddieroger 5y ago

I had to be vaccinated to enter first grade, and again in college. Since I went to a public school, doesn't that already kind of answer this question?

walterbell 5y ago
MMR vaccines are sterilizing, i.e. you take them once and done. No lifetime booster subscription. Current Covid vaccines are non-sterilizing. They do not provide immunity that is equivalent to the MMR vaccine. A future (nasal) Covid vaccine may offer long-term mucosal and blood/serum immunity.
- Apofis 5y ago
  Why isn't the nasal vaccine being produced?
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
  - walterbell 5y ago
    Some are in trials. https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavirus-outbreak/story/india-nasal-coronavirus-vaccine-soon-trials-begin-nagpur-1756780-2021-01-07 https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavirus-outbreak/story/india-n... https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-08-sniffing-alternative-scientists-nasal-mist.html https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-08-sniffing-alternative-... https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/researchers-begin-trials-covid-19-nasal-spray-vaccine https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/researchers-begin-...

a_imho 5y ago

Kevin Sorbo's take https://twitter.com/ksorbs/status/1417538663018344448 https://twitter.com/ksorbs/status/1417538663018344448 Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from the virus that they were vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated. I'm really interested a rebuttal to this.

misiti3780 5y ago
That argument makes sense only if the borders were shut down though -- right ? I'm pro vaccine, but even if everyone in the US got vaccinated in the next month we would still have to worry about vaccine-resistant variants coming in via other places.
christophilus 5y ago
> or a vaccinated person might get sick from the virus that they were vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated The statement is true. If you're not vaccinated, and you get COVID, there's a non-zero chance that you'll be the source of someone else's breakthrough case. This statement is also true: If you're vaccinated, and you get COVID, there's a non-zero chance that you'll be the source of someone else's breakthrough case. So, the quote is kind of useless. The unvaccinated probably do spread COVID faster and with more frequency. So, the directionality of the quote is fine. But it reads like a boolean statement, which is incorrect. COVID is almost certainly endemic at this point. Vaccines clearly help, but it's incorrect to blame all of the mutations and spread on the unvaccinated.
- wnkrshm 5y ago
  The take-away should be that we should mask up and try to isolate independent of vaccination status. Sadly, lots of vaccinated people think the ride is over for them and behave accordingly, in addition to the ones who never cared in the first place. We may see the fruits of that in winter, when the freshly normalized carelessness might lead to a larger increase in infections.
- 55555 5y ago
  > The unvaccinated probably do spread COVID faster and with more frequency. In practice, do they really? If you're vaccinated and catch COVID, you're probably fine, so you go about your life. If you're unvaccinated, you're more likely to get sick and thus stay home. You're also more likely to build up natural immunity. Seems to me like now that we know being vaccinated doesn't prevent transmission, we should want the anti-vaxxers to not get vaxxed, as we'll all reach herd immunity faster and they're less likely to get us sick.

barfingclouds 5y ago

Really? Because if others are the pandemic will end and mutations won’t happen and if you need to go to the hospital it won’t be over booked. And a myriad of other reasons.

ev0lv 5y ago
This is actually a common misconception. Covid has an animal host vector. Unless we start vaccinating deer, it's here to stay regardless.