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> My personal (apparently risky, I don't recommend it to others) strategy This seems to be the fundamental disagreement between the ‘anti’ side (anti-mask, ant

> My personal (apparently risky, I don't recommend it to others) strategy This seems to be the fundamental disagreement between the ‘anti’ side (anti-mask, anti-vaxx etc) and the ‘pro’ side. The reality is that different people can have vastly different risk tolerances. Some people are ok knowing they could die from a circulating respiratory illness and some simply are not. Some people believe vaccines are risky, others do not. The challenge is it’s very hard (maybe impossible) to change someone’s personal risk tolerance. Imagine trying to convince someone with a fear of heights to go skydiving. You can state the facts, cite safety figures for parachutes etc but you are still unlikely to get them on a plane.

jader201 5y ago
A lot of people are ok with risks, until they’re bitten by them. There are many articles (I’ve seen two just in passing) where nurses talk about COVID patients going on a ventilator, and begging for the vaccine, only to be told it’s too late. I feel that most people that are taking risks with COVID (e.g. healthy people not getting vaccinated) either don’t have enough foresight to realize they actually don’t want to be hospitalized/die from this, or they don’t believe the risks are real. Risk assessment is something many aren’t great at — that is striking a reasonable balance between no fear and too much fear. This is made worse by conflicting opinions and studies, and not being able to discern truth from fiction/sensationalism.
- spurgu 5y ago
  It's also a function of being practical. Spending a lot of time thinking and worrying about what might go wrong in various scenarios would take enjoyment out of life. This is where people differ. Some are happy-go-lucky's, some are neurotic, most are somewhere in between. Worry about Covid shines a spotlight on these differences.
  - jasonlaramburu 5y ago
    > Some are happy-go-lucky's, some are neurotic, most are somewhere in between. That is your opinion. One person’s neurotic is another person’s normal. It’s very hard, maybe impossible, to force-change someone’s perception of risk. Both sides will remain at loggerheads until they accept this.
- mdp2021 5y ago
  > going on a ventilator, and begging You read about it, I have heard from the witnesses. Some beg, some show fatalist. In fact, > until they’re bitten some do not quite realize that it is death involving slow asphyxia we are talking about... Days of drowning, not minutes. > Risk assessment [...] is made worse by conflicting opinions and studies, and not being able to discern truth from fiction/sensationalism Which is one of the biggest mess behind e.g. vaccine hesitancy, not to mention not convincing narratives about correct behaviour to prevent spreading. Anyway, the communicational mess is a disaster, while this reference "fiction" is more problematic. It is not, at this level, something you discriminate easily. When Derek Lowe writes some find him credible, when Robert Malone speaks some find him credible - keys for discrimination are not easily at hand.

jader201 5y ago

A lot of people are ok with risks, until they’re bitten by them. There are many articles (I’ve seen two just in passing) where nurses talk about COVID patients going on a ventilator, and begging for the vaccine, only to be told it’s too late. I feel that most people that are taking risks with COVID (e.g. healthy people not getting vaccinated) either don’t have enough foresight to realize they actually don’t want to be hospitalized/die from this, or they don’t believe the risks are real. Risk assessment is something many aren’t great at — that is striking a reasonable balance between no fear and too much fear. This is made worse by conflicting opinions and studies, and not being able to discern truth from fiction/sensationalism.

spurgu 5y ago
It's also a function of being practical. Spending a lot of time thinking and worrying about what might go wrong in various scenarios would take enjoyment out of life. This is where people differ. Some are happy-go-lucky's, some are neurotic, most are somewhere in between. Worry about Covid shines a spotlight on these differences.
- jasonlaramburu 5y ago
  > Some are happy-go-lucky's, some are neurotic, most are somewhere in between. That is your opinion. One person’s neurotic is another person’s normal. It’s very hard, maybe impossible, to force-change someone’s perception of risk. Both sides will remain at loggerheads until they accept this.
mdp2021 5y ago
> going on a ventilator, and begging You read about it, I have heard from the witnesses. Some beg, some show fatalist. In fact, > until they’re bitten some do not quite realize that it is death involving slow asphyxia we are talking about... Days of drowning, not minutes. > Risk assessment [...] is made worse by conflicting opinions and studies, and not being able to discern truth from fiction/sensationalism Which is one of the biggest mess behind e.g. vaccine hesitancy, not to mention not convincing narratives about correct behaviour to prevent spreading. Anyway, the communicational mess is a disaster, while this reference "fiction" is more problematic. It is not, at this level, something you discriminate easily. When Derek Lowe writes some find him credible, when Robert Malone speaks some find him credible - keys for discrimination are not easily at hand.