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Yes they are, all sorts of "freedoms" hinge on it now.

ceejayoz 5y ago
I can't work in certain jobs without a security clearance. The government is not forcing me to get a security clearance.
- peteradio 5y ago
  Vanishingly small percentages of jobs require security clearance.
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    Vanishingly small percentages of freedoms require vaccination.
    - deleted 5y ago
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    - nsxwolf 5y ago
      For me to agree with "vanishingly small", I should rarely encounter a vaccination requirement in my day to day life. The wishlist for places and activities that will require verification is so large I will be encountering them multiple times a day, for the rest of my life.
      - renaudg 5y ago
        Yes, and that's perfectly fine because 1. you've been accepting that for other vaccines already and 2. there is no cost or significant risk to you from getting vaccinated, mostly just massive benefits. It's a win-win situation. Society is asking you to take 1 hour of your time to save your own life. The fact that some people don't recognize that gift as what it is because they've been misinformed is irrelevant because, well, whatever they believe is simply not true.
        nsxwolf 5y ago
        No, not really. I've lived in states where vaccines were required to enter grade school, but there were religious and conscience exemptions. And flu shots are often required in health care. That status quo was far less invasive than what is being proposed here. I have never had to prove vaccination status to just do ordinary things in my life before.
- hcurtiss 5y ago
  I’m pro vaccine, but requiring I take a test or prove my trustworthiness strike me as fundamentally different than requiring I inject something in my body.
- ibejoeb 5y ago
  In this scenario, you're seeking a job for which a clearance is a prerequisite. In this world, people with jobs are being fired for not getting vaccinated. It's not a small cohort either; it's the government and giant corporate entities. There are a few notable exceptions, though, of employers that are not mandating vaccination. Pfizer, for one. The White House, for another. When the pharma that makes the thing, and the POTUS, who is making vaccination priority #1, don't require it, that is some laughably awful PR.
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    Pfizer is mandating it. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/04/vaccine-mandate-pfizer-will-require-covid-shot-or-testing-for-us-employees-.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/04/vaccine-mandate-pfizer-will-... https://www.politico.com/newsletters/west-wing-playbook/2021/08/11/how-biden-got-to-yes-on-vaccine-mandates-493947 https://www.politico.com/newsletters/west-wing-playbook/2021... says the White House has as well. > The White House didn’t even establish a vaccine mandate for its own staffers until last month, despite the shot being available to them early in the year.
    - ibejoeb 5y ago
      The headline even says "or undergo weekly testing"
- gfodor 5y ago
  If the government said that unvaccinated individuals were not allowed to purchase food, would you consider that OK, because they're not forcing you to stop eating?
- nsxwolf 5y ago
  They can't legally force you, so they're using other means to exert as much pressure as possible. Doesn't feel any better to a lot of people to know they weren't technically forced.
bcatanzaro 5y ago
You can’t drive a car without a license for the same reason: unlicensed drivers kill people at higher rates. Just like unvaccinated people kill others at higher rates.
- daddylongstroke 5y ago
  >Just like unvaccinated people kill others at higher rates. Source? Are you saying unvaccinated people are out there murdering others? Do people no longer have functional immune systems?

I can't work in certain jobs without a security clearance. The government is not forcing me to get a security clearance.

peteradio 5y ago
Vanishingly small percentages of jobs require security clearance.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  Vanishingly small percentages of freedoms require vaccination.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - nsxwolf 5y ago
    For me to agree with "vanishingly small", I should rarely encounter a vaccination requirement in my day to day life. The wishlist for places and activities that will require verification is so large I will be encountering them multiple times a day, for the rest of my life.
    - renaudg 5y ago
      Yes, and that's perfectly fine because 1. you've been accepting that for other vaccines already and 2. there is no cost or significant risk to you from getting vaccinated, mostly just massive benefits. It's a win-win situation. Society is asking you to take 1 hour of your time to save your own life. The fact that some people don't recognize that gift as what it is because they've been misinformed is irrelevant because, well, whatever they believe is simply not true.
      - nsxwolf 5y ago
        No, not really. I've lived in states where vaccines were required to enter grade school, but there were religious and conscience exemptions. And flu shots are often required in health care. That status quo was far less invasive than what is being proposed here. I have never had to prove vaccination status to just do ordinary things in my life before.
hcurtiss 5y ago
I’m pro vaccine, but requiring I take a test or prove my trustworthiness strike me as fundamentally different than requiring I inject something in my body.
ibejoeb 5y ago
In this scenario, you're seeking a job for which a clearance is a prerequisite. In this world, people with jobs are being fired for not getting vaccinated. It's not a small cohort either; it's the government and giant corporate entities. There are a few notable exceptions, though, of employers that are not mandating vaccination. Pfizer, for one. The White House, for another. When the pharma that makes the thing, and the POTUS, who is making vaccination priority #1, don't require it, that is some laughably awful PR.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  Pfizer is mandating it. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/04/vaccine-mandate-pfizer-will-require-covid-shot-or-testing-for-us-employees-.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/04/vaccine-mandate-pfizer-will-... https://www.politico.com/newsletters/west-wing-playbook/2021/08/11/how-biden-got-to-yes-on-vaccine-mandates-493947 https://www.politico.com/newsletters/west-wing-playbook/2021... says the White House has as well. > The White House didn’t even establish a vaccine mandate for its own staffers until last month, despite the shot being available to them early in the year.
  - ibejoeb 5y ago
    The headline even says "or undergo weekly testing"
gfodor 5y ago
If the government said that unvaccinated individuals were not allowed to purchase food, would you consider that OK, because they're not forcing you to stop eating?
nsxwolf 5y ago
They can't legally force you, so they're using other means to exert as much pressure as possible. Doesn't feel any better to a lot of people to know they weren't technically forced.

bcatanzaro 5y ago

You can’t drive a car without a license for the same reason: unlicensed drivers kill people at higher rates. Just like unvaccinated people kill others at higher rates.

daddylongstroke 5y ago
>Just like unvaccinated people kill others at higher rates. Source? Are you saying unvaccinated people are out there murdering others? Do people no longer have functional immune systems?