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Nearly 300 hospitalized per day, nearly 500 dead so far. https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/07/health/children-covid-19-protection/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/

by jcrben 5y ago

Nearly 300 hospitalized per day, nearly 500 dead so far. https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/07/health/children-covid-19-protection/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/07/health/children-covid-19-prot... Unknown how many will long-term health effects. Even seemingly innocuous viruses like Epstein-Barr are tied to various health problems later in life. Why should we knowingly expose an entire generation to a little understood virus?

colordrops 5y ago
So less than one in a million children hospitalized per day. And 500 dead after almost two years is nothing, sorry to be so blunt. You can say epstein-barr, I can say other corona viruses like the cold virus. You can't just choose an arbitrary virus to compare to. We need strong evidence of serious risk to impose such restrictions, and not ungrounded fear which is not backed by data.
- Aa9C4xPz43Gg7k6 5y ago
  Fear mongers run out of ammunition for forever lockdowns. Low quality of arguments will be compensated by hysteria and insults. For instance that you don't care about children (while in their age group it's less harmful than a flu).
  - Gibbon1 5y ago
    Two things. Vaccines got full approval today. And with it the powers that be's patience with people with your view point it as and end. And We're about 5-6 weeks away from vaccines to be approved for children 5-11 years old. With that the hammers going to come down on people whose argument for prolonging this is 'I don't wanna'
    - colordrops 5y ago
      Supporting vaccinations and supporting lockdowns are separate. You can support one and not the other.
MatteoFrigo 5y ago
CNN is fake news. Stop spreading misinformation. Raw mortality data at https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/ https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/ show no discernible increase in mortality for children 0-14 in England (or anywhere else for that matter).
nkohari 5y ago
Influenza kills thousands of people under 18 every year: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html We are actually _incredibly_ fortunate that Covid spares children to the degree that it does.
- throwaway169169 5y ago
  > Influenza kills thousands of people under 18 every year: No, it does not. You didn't actually look at the numbers. One of the worst years overall shows 115 for 0-4 and 528 for 5-17: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm There are some years where the total is a little over a thousand, but most are well below. Don't spread this bull.
  - qweqwweqwe-90i 5y ago
    So looks like more kids were hospitalized and more died from the flu? What bull are you referring to? Were you outraged about them in any of the last 20 years?
    - throwaway169169 5y ago
      > What bull are you referring to? The bull that was clearly quoted? "Influenza kills thousands of people under 18 every year". The linked data does not say that at all. You're being difficult just to be difficult here.
  - nkohari 5y ago
    With apologies, I'll correct myself: flu kills hundreds, sometimes thousands of children per year. My point still stands, though: an equal or greater number of people under 18 are lost every year to influenza than have been lost to Covid. It's important to keep that in perspective, is all I'm saying.
    - dragonwriter 5y ago
      > My point still stands, though: an equal or greater number of people under 18 are lost every year to influenza than have been lost to Covid. This is false if you include the period during which COVID-19 has been around in “every year”, because COVID countermeasures also suppress the flu. Without COVID countermeasures, and without vaccination for most kids, COVID would kill far more than the flu normally does. Now, the COVID vaccine right now is more effective than the flu vaccine usually is (but that may be temporary if COVID is endemic and different variants proliferate), so with vaccines available to younger kids than now that might get evened out or reverse, but right now COVID is clearly far more deadly to kids.

by jcrben 5y ago

colordrops 5y ago

So less than one in a million children hospitalized per day. And 500 dead after almost two years is nothing, sorry to be so blunt. You can say epstein-barr, I can say other corona viruses like the cold virus. You can't just choose an arbitrary virus to compare to. We need strong evidence of serious risk to impose such restrictions, and not ungrounded fear which is not backed by data.

Aa9C4xPz43Gg7k6 5y ago
Fear mongers run out of ammunition for forever lockdowns. Low quality of arguments will be compensated by hysteria and insults. For instance that you don't care about children (while in their age group it's less harmful than a flu).
- Gibbon1 5y ago
  Two things. Vaccines got full approval today. And with it the powers that be's patience with people with your view point it as and end. And We're about 5-6 weeks away from vaccines to be approved for children 5-11 years old. With that the hammers going to come down on people whose argument for prolonging this is 'I don't wanna'
  - colordrops 5y ago
    Supporting vaccinations and supporting lockdowns are separate. You can support one and not the other.

MatteoFrigo 5y ago

CNN is fake news. Stop spreading misinformation. Raw mortality data at https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/ https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/ show no discernible increase in mortality for children 0-14 in England (or anywhere else for that matter).

nkohari 5y ago

Influenza kills thousands of people under 18 every year: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html We are actually _incredibly_ fortunate that Covid spares children to the degree that it does.

throwaway169169 5y ago
> Influenza kills thousands of people under 18 every year: No, it does not. You didn't actually look at the numbers. One of the worst years overall shows 115 for 0-4 and 528 for 5-17: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm There are some years where the total is a little over a thousand, but most are well below. Don't spread this bull.
- qweqwweqwe-90i 5y ago
  So looks like more kids were hospitalized and more died from the flu? What bull are you referring to? Were you outraged about them in any of the last 20 years?
  - throwaway169169 5y ago
    > What bull are you referring to? The bull that was clearly quoted? "Influenza kills thousands of people under 18 every year". The linked data does not say that at all. You're being difficult just to be difficult here.
- nkohari 5y ago
  With apologies, I'll correct myself: flu kills hundreds, sometimes thousands of children per year. My point still stands, though: an equal or greater number of people under 18 are lost every year to influenza than have been lost to Covid. It's important to keep that in perspective, is all I'm saying.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > My point still stands, though: an equal or greater number of people under 18 are lost every year to influenza than have been lost to Covid. This is false if you include the period during which COVID-19 has been around in “every year”, because COVID countermeasures also suppress the flu. Without COVID countermeasures, and without vaccination for most kids, COVID would kill far more than the flu normally does. Now, the COVID vaccine right now is more effective than the flu vaccine usually is (but that may be temporary if COVID is endemic and different variants proliferate), so with vaccines available to younger kids than now that might get evened out or reverse, but right now COVID is clearly far more deadly to kids.