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I'm very wary of Whatsapp, but I don't think that's accurate. They have a LE portal, and in the FAQ they state what they are able to provide. [ https://faq.wha

by tg180 5y ago

I'm very wary of Whatsapp, but I don't think that's accurate. They have a LE portal, and in the FAQ they state what they are able to provide. [ https://faq.whatsapp.com/general/security-and-privacy/information-for-law-enforcement-authorities/?lang=en https://faq.whatsapp.com/general/security-and-privacy/inform... ] > In the ordinary course of providing our service, WhatsApp does not store messages once they are delivered or transaction logs of such delivered messages. Undelivered messages are deleted from our servers after 30 days. As stated in the WhatsApp Privacy Policy, we may collect, use, preserve, and share user information if we have a good-faith belief that it is reasonably necessary to (a) keep our users safe, (b) detect, investigate, and prevent illegal activity, (c) respond to legal process, or to government requests, (d) enforce our Terms and policies. This may include information about how some users interact with others on our service. We also offer end-to-end encryption for our services, which is always activated. End-to-end encryption means that messages are encrypted to protect against WhatsApp and third parties from reading them. Additional information about WhatsApp's security can be found here. So only metadata and everything that's not e2e. Certainly, if the demands were complied with, metadata alone would be sufficient to rebuild your communication network if the Taliban already know who you are and what are you talking about.

ptero 5y ago
> So only metadata [can be shared] and everything that's not e2e. This is probably the best info anyway. What you speak about with a suspected enemy of the state is a lot less important for oppressive regimes than the fact that you (regularly) do. The content can be obtained from in person ... discussion. When a service doesn't care about presumption of innocence or torturing a few extra citizens, meta is probably all they need. Now I do not think Taliban itself would be able to pull it off, but if the ISI is involved it is another story.

by tg180 5y ago

ptero 5y ago

> So only metadata [can be shared] and everything that's not e2e. This is probably the best info anyway. What you speak about with a suspected enemy of the state is a lot less important for oppressive regimes than the fact that you (regularly) do. The content can be obtained from in person ... discussion. When a service doesn't care about presumption of innocence or torturing a few extra citizens, meta is probably all they need. Now I do not think Taliban itself would be able to pull it off, but if the ISI is involved it is another story.