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In order to use these findings to argue for or against vaccination, you'd first need to know what percentage of Covid-19 infections will cause myocarditis, and

In order to use these findings to argue for or against vaccination, you'd first need to know what percentage of Covid-19 infections will cause myocarditis, and then compare them to the number caused by vaccinations. My understanding is that Covid-19 infections will cause similar side effects at a far higher rate than vaccinations, but I am not sure whether it's also true for this specific age group.

loceng 5y ago
I've not heard a single report of myocarditis from COVID, have you? We also don't know true numbers for who's COVID recovered, but there certainly doesn't seem to have been reports of tens of thousands of teenagers reported with myocarditis after COVID - asymptomatic or symptomatic?
- tjansen 5y ago
  This is a study of 1597 athletes who were tested positive for Covid-19. 2.3% were diagnosed with myocarditis: https://wexnermedical.osu.edu/mediaroom/pressreleaselisting/myocarditis-jama-paper https://wexnermedical.osu.edu/mediaroom/pressreleaselisting/... As far as I know, you can get all the side effects that you get from the vaccines also from a real Covid-19 infection.
  - loceng 5y ago
    So that would seem to suggest the spike protein used in the vaccines is in fact cytotoxic - harmful to human tissue?
  - loceng 5y ago
    Haven't read study yet but wondering if they studied control group too, similar athletes who didn't get COVID? E.g. was rate higher in COVID or about equal?
- 0-_-0 5y ago
  I recall raeading that myocarditis was 6x higher in people with COVID than from vaccines
- piva00 5y ago
  So... I have heard it and went on a quick Google search to find some research about it [1]. > Human coronavirus-associated myocarditis is known, and a number of coronavirus disease 19 (COVID-19)–related myocarditis cases have been reported. The pathophysiology of COVID-19–related myocarditis is thought to be a combination of direct viral injury and cardiac damage due to the host’s immune response. COVID-19 myocarditis diagnosis should be guided by insights from previous coronavirus and other myocarditis experience. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7199677/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7199677/
- senectus1 5y ago
  absolutely yes. Also blood clotting.

loceng 5y ago

I've not heard a single report of myocarditis from COVID, have you? We also don't know true numbers for who's COVID recovered, but there certainly doesn't seem to have been reports of tens of thousands of teenagers reported with myocarditis after COVID - asymptomatic or symptomatic?

tjansen 5y ago
This is a study of 1597 athletes who were tested positive for Covid-19. 2.3% were diagnosed with myocarditis: https://wexnermedical.osu.edu/mediaroom/pressreleaselisting/myocarditis-jama-paper https://wexnermedical.osu.edu/mediaroom/pressreleaselisting/... As far as I know, you can get all the side effects that you get from the vaccines also from a real Covid-19 infection.
- loceng 5y ago
  So that would seem to suggest the spike protein used in the vaccines is in fact cytotoxic - harmful to human tissue?
- loceng 5y ago
  Haven't read study yet but wondering if they studied control group too, similar athletes who didn't get COVID? E.g. was rate higher in COVID or about equal?
0-_-0 5y ago
I recall raeading that myocarditis was 6x higher in people with COVID than from vaccines
piva00 5y ago
So... I have heard it and went on a quick Google search to find some research about it [1]. > Human coronavirus-associated myocarditis is known, and a number of coronavirus disease 19 (COVID-19)–related myocarditis cases have been reported. The pathophysiology of COVID-19–related myocarditis is thought to be a combination of direct viral injury and cardiac damage due to the host’s immune response. COVID-19 myocarditis diagnosis should be guided by insights from previous coronavirus and other myocarditis experience. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7199677/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7199677/
senectus1 5y ago
absolutely yes. Also blood clotting.