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The only skin care that works? science video response (2020)
- NonContro 5y agoAfter a decade of struggle with skin conditions, what works for me: - Eliminate all foods that contain added sugar, including milk (lactose) - Have cold/lukewarm showers, every 2nd day - Use a rough washcloth and Nivea Sensitive Men's facewash - Occasionally use anti-dandruff Ketaconazole shampoo, but otherwise a 'natural' shampoo and conditioner without Sodium Lauryl Sulfate - Wash face each night before bed with warm water. Use the washcloth once, then wash in 95c water - Change bedsheets every 5 days, wash pillows and quilts every ~2 months (all on hot) - Moisturise face after shower with beard oil. Water-based moisturisers don't last. - Minimise ejaculation instances, to conserve zinc and other minerals
- bendtb 5y agoCould masturbation be the cause of skin problems in teenagers :-) ?
- imwillofficial 5y agoThank you for this. A well thought out response.
- dillondoyle 5y agoYou had me until the last one ;) Does anyone have science on specifically sugar? I find that correlation too (only with lots of cheap candy/bad greasy food), but feels kind of Goop-like bs. what is the mechanism for that to affect bacteria on the face?
- s9w 5y agoInstant dismissal of the most massive unnatural behavior done on earth with literally a mountain of (animal) studies backing it up.
- plexman 5y agoI believe that the authority in sugar is DR. Robert Lustig. He has a great book called Fat Chance, there he explains in details how sugar is a toxin and correlates with a plethora of diseases. Great read from a true hero that saved many obese kids during his practice.
- Sunspark 5y agoSugar is more than that, it's also an addictive drug. Try quitting sugar and see how far you get.
- Sunspark 5y agoI present to you honey. Honey never goes bad, it has anti-fungal and anti-bacterial properties and for this reason is why it also helps with wound healing.
- dillondoyle 5y agoand i've read allergies too! I buy like a couple pounds of these every few months it's so good: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006MWDFUC/ https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006MWDFUC/
- Sunspark 5y agoI like raw honey, but I don't think it does much for allergies. However, I can tell you that bee pollen does do something. If you try pollen you have to start very early in the season (like Feb-Mar early) with 1 grain and then increasing the count from there. Whether honey or bee pollen, if being used for allergies, you should be using product from your local area, not imported from far away and especially not another country with completely different flora.
- D1CA1890 5y agoAnecdotal, but switching the honey I used in my morning oatmeal to a locally-farmed raw variety really did seem to help quite a bit with my seasonal allergies. A qualifier on that statement is that the seasonal allergies started when I moved 1000 miles to a very different part of the country. It may just have been acclimation, but I don't plan on switching back to the other types of honey to test if the symptoms return. It's not entirely gone, some years are nothing and some are light. Nothing is ever are terrible as the first few years were, though.
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- tleb_ 5y agoWith so many solutions, how could you be sure each one has an important role?
- hunterb123 5y agoBasically all these things keep the oil off your face, your skin healthy, and your pores closed.
- Bellamy 5y agoFucking brilliant.
- plexman 5y agoKetoconazole blocks hormone steroid synthesis and reduces testosterone levels.
- kongolongo 5y agoNot sure about the ejaculation point. Especially with zinc, the amounts released from ejaculation are far less than the rda and the same is also true with the other trace minerals present in semen. Even if we account for multiple ejaculations per day, diet contributes much more to any possible mineral imbalances than ejaculation could. You really can't out ejaculate even just a single day worth of zinc rda food intake. At ~3% of the rda per ejaculation that's ~33 ejaculations.
- hnacct0310304 5y agoIt's about the overall system. If the man has a full sack, his body won't be utilizing its top-notch resources to replenish itself, making sure it is always at-the-ready. Once restocked, the resources devoted to that unique assembly line can be applied to repair and enhance operations. Having to arm that legion of competitive swimmers is an energetic undertaking of no small measure and no small importance -- quite the opposite, actually. That is why fasting and exercise are effective ways to tamp down one's sexual impulses. Well, avoiding stimulation (visual and otherwise) can also help tame our more primal energies. [[[ Also, the GP failed to mention exercising and avoiding the consumption of refined oils as other ways to keep the skin less clogged and infected. ]]] Regardless, semen retention is a way for a man to keep his body burning less quickly through our molecular environment, both internally and externally. The old Taoist texts (IIRC) teach 60 or 80 drops of blood are required to produce a drop of semen, and some significant amount of food to create a drop of blood. Stem the loss and the pipeline backs up, in a good way, so long as the man doesn't become an unbearable ahole, but that's related to self-control via self-evolution of the ego combined with the amount of stimulation they must/choose-to endure.
- chownie 5y agoFrom what I can tell there's no evidence that the testicles produce any faster when emptied compared to full. Is that a thing?
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- TrevorJ 5y agoI found that switching to simply using water for bathing most of my body did wonders. Skin feels clean, rarely if ever is it dry or oily. Took a couple weeks to adjust. everyone is different though, YMMV.
- hbcondo714 5y ago> One group of ingredient that ASAP Science does recommend, alongside antioxidants and retinol, are palmitoyl polypeptides – if you use all three then you’re checking all the boxes for science-backed anti-aging skincare. That paragraph sums it up but according to the article not all retinoids are the same. Read on for more scientific information on what's out there for your specific skin care needs.
- icebergwarrior 5y agoI wish they made some recommendations and application schedule. That statement alone makes is very hard to figure out which products are legit and which are not. The average reader (me) just wants to buy 3 products, use them nightly, and move on, without doing hours of research.
- e_y_ 5y agoFrom what I remember from Labmuffin's past articles, she doesn't give a specific nightcare routine because it varies based on the individual, so some trial and error is required. Maybe that's a bit of a cop out, but if there were a perfect combination then there wouldn't need to be so many different products (marketing aside, even the same formulations of active ingredients are available as washes, creams, lotions, serums, peels, etc).
- akiselev 5y agoI recommend The Ordinary skincare company [1] which makes everything on the list. For example, this what I use for retinol [2] and the polypeptides [3]. Just read and follow their directions carefully because they sell some concentrated stuff that can do some harm in inexperienced hands (you don't need those products so just read the product page carefully to avoid them). Source: family member is a biophysicist and looks a good 10/20 years younger so I just follow their lead. As an engineer the no nonsense product lineup appeals to me (no affiliation). [1] https://theordinary.deciem.com/us/theordinary_regimenguide.html https://theordinary.deciem.com/us/theordinary_regimenguide.h... [2] https://theordinary.deciem.com/us/rdn-granactive-retinoid-2pct-in-squalane-30ml.html https://theordinary.deciem.com/us/rdn-granactive-retinoid-2p... [3] https://theordinary.deciem.com/us/rdn-buffet-30ml.html https://theordinary.deciem.com/us/rdn-buffet-30ml.html
- yawaworht1978 5y agoI need something to reasonably explain to my wife that all these things don't work, the brand indoctrination is profound and the credit card bills hefty. Any good study on all the things that don't work?
- v3rt3x 5y agoI second this.
- goostavos 5y agoI think if you're coming at it from an angle where you're going to sit your wife down on the couch, show her some studies, and then wait for the "thank you for clarifying my thinking!" to roll in, you're doomed to fail / upset your SO. I think the personality types you generally find in tech, which are so focused on what we can produce / output, don't understand that consumption is a perfectly valid hobby or interest for people to have. I'd wager very few people actually buy the miracle claims on the products. I think they instead just find it fun. I gave my SO a lot of crap before realizing that some people just find stewardship of an object enjoyable. There's a whole subculture related to it. The ownership, displaying, and usage _is_ the hobby.
- nostromo 5y agoI doubt the majority of people using expensive skin care creams are actually doing it just for fun and not for any actual benefit. It's more common to hear people say, "it probably isn't doing much, but you never know." This is similar to people buying lottery tickets, "I doubt I'll win, but you never know." "I just enjoy it, ok?" is probably what someone would say to get rid of a pestering husband. :)
- Goronmon 5y agoI'd wager very few people actually buy the miracle claims on the products. I think they instead just find it fun. I gave my SO a lot of crap before realizing that some people just find stewardship of an object enjoyable. There's a whole subculture related to it. The ownership, displaying, and usage _is_ the hobby. An alternative is that bringing up this type of topic ends up sounding like some form of: "Hey, you know all that stuff that stresses you out everyday? Well, regarding one of the less important ones, you are doing it totally wrong and I want you to correct yourself." Even you are technically right, there is very little upside to bringing it up, especially out of nowhere. Assuming, of course, they aren't doing anything wildly dangerous.
- mlok 5y agoRelated : Open Beauty Facts : https://world.openbeautyfacts.org/ https://world.openbeautyfacts.org/ This database of products is a sister project of Open Food Facts : https://world.openfoodfacts.org/ https://world.openfoodfacts.org/ Many apps are based on these two DB.
- css 5y agoI searched for a ton of products I use on this site and found no results–I find EWG[0] to have a much better dataset. [0]: https://www.ewg.org/skindeep/ https://www.ewg.org/skindeep/
- tablespoonsruby 5y agoEWG is a source of misinformation: https://www.theecowell.com/blog/a-case-against-the-ewg https://www.theecowell.com/blog/a-case-against-the-ewg
- css 5y agoThis article cherry-picks a few items and discussed how EWG interprets the ingredient safety. It does not follow that all of EWG is misinformation; dismissing the useful database of ingredients, animal testing statuses, and other data is itself misinformation.
- tablespoonsruby 5y agoThere's plenty more criticism out there: https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/05/25/dear-ewg-why-real-scientists-think-poorly-you-11323 https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/05/25/dear-ewg-why-real-scien... https://chemistscorner.com/3-reasons-the-ewg-is-dubious-resource/ https://chemistscorner.com/3-reasons-the-ewg-is-dubious-reso...
- css 5y agoAgain, disagreeing with their risk assessment is one thing, but pretending the database itself is misinformation is dishonest.
- normaldist 5y agoSo are there OTC retinol products that work better than others?
- camel_Snake 5y agoI just recently adapted a skincare routine but I've been happy with The Ordinary. Retinols can be very irritating so the general recommendation I've heard is to start at a smaller % and use maybe once a week to start, working your way up in frequency then concentration.
- Eric_WVGG 5y agoThis isn't a particularly scientific review, but Amber A'Lee Frost wrote an amusing bit about the retinoid A313 Pommade. "skincare is what the French have instead of a space program." I picked up a tube, it seems pretty great. https://theoutline.com/post/8395/french-skincare-is-the-future https://theoutline.com/post/8395/french-skincare-is-the-futu...
- nazgulnarsil 5y agoThe author does have a simple recommendation list https://labmuffin.com/basic-skincare-guide-product-recommendations/ https://labmuffin.com/basic-skincare-guide-product-recommend...
- stingrae 5y agosimple? that has like 25 products on it.
- camel_Snake 5y agoAnd the first dozen or so all belong in the same category - cleanser. She just lists out different options for different sub-categories. Dry skin might prefer a different medium than oily skin. Overall there were 3 categories in that list - cleanser, moisturizer, and sunscreen. Pick one from each of the category that suits you.
- westcort 5y agoLanolin plus retinol was what one youthful looking expert in the field used. They looked decades younger than they were.
- make3 5y agohow one individual looks means literally nothing. do they have research / guarantees on large samples for the individual products / delivery methods, etc, is what matters. Like others have said, I would like to know products OP actually does recommend, as they seem to have proper reasoning
- westcort 5y agoAs a pharmacist, I know this well. However, seeing what an expert who has seen that evidence uses—including the unpublished studies of one unnamed large skin care pharma company—carries some weight, at least for me. Alpha-hydroxy acids and retinol have the best evidence overall.
- ProjectArcturis 5y agoI'm at the age where I should start taking better care of my skin, but when it comes to reading up on the science and then translating that into deciding on products to buy, my eyes just glaze over. Did anyone put together a simple list of scientifically supported products that I can smear on my face?
- barcoder 5y agoGood diet and keeping hydrated are probably more important
- koolhaas 5y agoScience supports that the sun really damages your skin, so you should absolutely use a sunscreen or SPF 30 moisturizer every morning. Digging deeper into types of ingredients that block sun, things get a bit more tricky. In general I’ve read dermatologists say “physical” sun screen ingredients are best, like zinc oxide, because they aren’t absorbed through your skin like a “chemical” ingredient. But they also leave your skin looking more white. And beyond that, just wash your face in the morning and night with a face wash product, not bar soap. Something simple from Neutrogena (Liquid Neutrogena).
- amanaplanacanal 5y agoIf you really are using sunscreen every day, you might want to have your vitamin d levels checked. Low vitamin d is associated with all sorts of adverse health outcomes.
- lotsofpulp 5y agoI used to think it was a simple as using the sunscreens with metals in them to reflect the sun and the whiter you look, the more effective, but it looks pretty complicated when I did more research on how UVA and UVB are blocked. https://www.healthline.com/health/beauty-skin-care/best-sunscreen-ingredients https://www.healthline.com/health/beauty-skin-care/best-suns... https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/phpp.12214 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/phpp.12214 https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/adult-health/in-depth/best-sunscreen/art-20045110 https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/adult-health/in... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3781714/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3781714/ For one, it seems legislation to study the ingredients in the US was only passed Nov 2019. Even the size of the titanium and zinc particles affects the effectiveness. The Mayo Clinic link is probably the best summary, to just use something and avoid peak sun hours. But it seems the non metal sunscreen ingredients are also important to project via absorption.
- hereme888 5y agoThe most proven anti-aging for skin, that I'm aware of, is prevention of UV rays damaging the skin. Sunscreens are amazing "anti-aging" formulas. Interesting fact: sunscreens are not proven to prevent melanoma; only basal cell carcinoma and other skin cancers. Beware I said "proven". They may, but evidence is not there yet, as of last time I checked.
- dade_ 5y agoEspecially sunscreen on overcast days. UVA doesn't cause tanning or sunburn, but it does pass through clouds and damages the skin.
- gpt5 5y ago+1. Some of the worse burns I had were during overcast days.
- colechristensen 5y agoI hear this a lot but do not remember a single sunburn on an overcast day despite having very light skin. Is this a southern latitude thing?
- lifeisstillgood 5y agoAs I understand it (and this seems too pat) UV-B "burns" and UV-A does the cancerous damage. I believe it's to do with depth of penetration. So you can get skin damage without burn.
- noodlenotes 5y agoLatitude makes a huge difference. The UV index is 13 in Mexico City today vs 5 in London. Depending on your skin type, you would burn in 10 minutes in Mexico City vs 30-45 minutes in London. This is because sunlight hits the Earth at more of an angle the farther north and south you get, so it passes through the atmosphere for a longer time and more UV gets absorbed before hitting you. This is the same reason you don't burn as much in the early morning and late afternoon.
- evo_9 5y agoFrom what I've research the best way to improve your skin quality is from the cells out; surface creams are just treating the top most layer of your skin and feel nice but don't generally do all that much. If you want to improve your skin from the cells out you can take something like this, which is what I take(Collagen Powder Protein): https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LXADO9Z/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LXADO9Z/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b... Here is a doctor I follow that did a thorough breakdown of the research available about a year ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iydUMEoO-6w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iydUMEoO-6w
- sunshineforever 5y agoRetinol! available at dollar tree for one dollar!
- funkaster 5y agoI haven't found anything other than anecdotal accounts but I would love to see a study/more detailed article about Mother Dirt products[0] - I found them super interesting because of the different approach. [0]: https://motherdirt.com/ https://motherdirt.com/
- second--shift 5y agoDoes the wearing of sunscreen inhibit the creation/uptake of vitamin D?
- WalterSear 5y agoThe sun isn't actually a good source for vitamin D: even hawaiian surfers and people with tropical outdoor jobs can develop a deficiency: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17426097/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17426097/ I suspect that at least part of the reason that it's not as effective as expected is that the current US RDA is over an order of magnitude too low, due ancient arithmetic error we discovered in 2014: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25333201/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25333201/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5541280/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5541280/ 9k is what the science suggests, if you correct for this error, though, given that vitamin D absorption is highly variable, it's best to have your levels tested repeatedly until you know how much you need to take. (I am currently taking 15k daily, and only recently got my levels to stop bouncing around the bottom end of normal.) IMHO, this huge discrepancy between our previous understanding and the actually needed amount is also likely why so much vitamin D science is often conflicted: the differences between supplementing 2k iu (a number I've seen a bunch of times in the literature) and not supplementing aren't all that great if you needed 9k to begin with. I should also mention that concerns about vitamin d overdose are also misguided: while serious, it takes heroic doses on a daily basis - for years: The evidence is clear that vitamin D toxicity is one of the rarest medical conditions and is typically due to intentional or inadvertent intake of extremely high doses of vitamin D (usually in the range of 50,000-100,000 IU/d for months to years) https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(15)00244-X/fulltext https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(15)... Addtionaly, one may want to be conscious of one's magnesium intake as well: it is consumed during vitamin d metabolism, and our widespread misunderstanding of vitamin D requirements means that research into appropriate magnesium intake concurrent to increased (ie appropriate) vitamin D has not been done.
- racuna 5y agoI still don't know how to balance avoiding sun damage, vs vitamin D deficiency (more sun). LMAO.
- CptJamesCook 5y agoLet the sun hit your chest, upper legs, butt, etc. Places that have suffered less skin damage over the years. And that you wouldn't mind getting a bit of sun damage since they are always covered in clothing.
- kbelder 5y agoIt's a pity wide-brim hats went out of fashion in most places.
- CptJamesCook 5y agoIt is unfortunate that the most clinically backed skincare treatment, retinols, cause so many problems for rosacea sufferers. Not to mention, the 1-month of breakouts people experience when they begin using them.